Red and Time

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

Again, I agree that Jerry messed it up by trying to get cute at WR (again) his special teams draft (much like his '95 backups draft), and basically going for the shiny toys over the big uglies.

We're in agreement, which is why I think it's mostly unfair to Garrett given the scrubs on OL.

That said, Garrett has dropped the ball many times (makes me crazy how slow he is to play guys over underperforming jackwagons), but honestly, I don't want to go thru the whole "get-my-system-in-place" with the next HC.

To me it just reeks of always being next year's champions.

Here's what I see as a major issue down the road. The more we lose the more Jerry will think he needs to get more involved. He has less patience than most fans. Problem is he doesn't understand he's the biggest problem.

I'm not sure Garrett has or ever will get a fair chance with Jerry.

[DenCWBY]

Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

I was a huge fan when Garrett got hired (for me it was either him or Harbaugh), and I agree that so far, the results haven't been great, but as some have mentioned, it takes time (and a bit of luck) for a coach to learn how to win (see: Belichick, Cowher, Dungy).

That said, given Jones' propensity to jettison coaches about every 2-3 years, how would you guys honestly feel if Jerry moves onto another coach and it takes that coach at least three years to implement his system and to get this crap team to the playoffs AND Garrett goes on to another team (i.e. Raiders, Bears, Cards, etc) and wins a championship while setting that team up for a decade of success?

I guess my point is, yes, right now things are tough, but it can't be good for ANY organization to change its leadership so often (much less in an organization as dysfunctional as the Cowboys), but might patience be a good thing, even as difficult as it is now?

Yes coaching changes were good for SF, NE, NO, AZ, Indy, Balt, GB and several others who turned it around or provided extended improvement in less than 3 years after a change. The problem is not only finding a good coach, but a better coach who can put up with an egomaniac GM/Owner suffering from dementia.

[Cowboyz88]

Originally Posted by 17yearsandcounting

This whole "get my system in place" is part of the problem. Adapt the system. Quit calling Troy plays for Tony. Find out what your players are good at and adapt, dont think some ivy league crap is eventually going to work if you just persist with it long enough.

In theory, I would agree with you, but you're crazy if you don't think the next coach (Payton, Reid, Cowher, Gruden, etc.) won't come in here and "put their stamp" on things, Ivy League or not.

Plus, there's always the threat of Jerry slapping his veto stamp on top of the coach's stamp.

[NJ22]

This is not 1960. With Free Agency you can not wait ten years to "build" a team. He has more than enough talent in a watered down league to be a playoff contender, instead this team is a laughing stock. He has run this offense for 6 seasons now and it should be a well oiled machine by now, it stinks. We already missed the boat on the Harbaughs, Fisher, Shannahan, Wizenhunt, Thomlin. If we miss out on Payton OR Holmgren to give this clown another year it will be a disgrace. We have wasted the prime years of our core players already, enough is enough.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

In theory, I would agree with you, but you're crazy if you don't think the next coach (Payton, Reid, Cowher, Gruden, etc.) won't come in here and "put their stamp" on things, Ivy League or not.

Plus, there's always the threat of Jerry slapping his veto stamp on top of the coach's stamp.

I don't see it happening but Payton would be a perfect match for Romo.
I also think he's strong enough to make Jerry take a back seat ala Parcells and Jimmy.

[Cowboyz88]

Originally Posted by DenCWBY

Yes coaching changes were good for SF, NE, NO, AZ, Indy, Balt, GB and several others who turned it around or provided extended improvement in less than 3 years after a change. The problem is not only finding a good coach, but a better coach who can put up with an egomaniac GM/Owner suffering from dementia.

Again, I don't want to shill for Garrett (I really don't), but almost every team you mentioned has a Great/above average GM in place or a franchise QB with solid role players.

What about the Browns, Raiders, Chiefs, Panthers, Jags, etc. of the world?

I would contend that we are extremely top-heavy in terms of talent (basically no middle class), and we all know what a joke our GM is.

[tunahelper]

The guy has been an average OC for years. He is all smoke and mirrors. He just isnt a good coach and he makes stupid time management errors way to much. He has shown a stubberness to not play players in the past. He is not the answer.
If he stays an OC is a MUST!

[ConstantReboot]

Originally Posted by REDVOLUTION

Yes, I believe this needed a thread.

There is alot of emotional posting and some on here seem to think they are experts and all knowing.


Red is going to need time. Its been less than 2 seasons. The team was 1-7 when he took over.


Its going to take time. But I believe he will work out LONG TERM.
Yes, we hate that there is on the job training re: Red.
Yes, we hate that he makes mistakes.
Yes, we hate that he has poor time management skills.

We live in IGS (I do too) and we are just doing a play by play hate of what is happening.

I think Red will win with Dallas. I dont know if Romo will be here but I believe it will happen.

That is dumb. If your going to be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys you should already know how to be a coach of an NFL team. The Cowboys organization should not be a place to learn COACHING 101.

Garrett is way over his head in coaching. We all have talked about it. His very vanilla offense, his time management, his lack of ability to adjust, his lack of ability to know when to challenge a play, etc. He is nothing more than a friend to Jerry Jones who got the head coaching position based friendship and nothing else.

He is nothing more than a glorified QB coach. We have a very talented team and its going to waste because Jerry wants to put the training wheels on Garrett so he can learn how to coach down the line. But not now. Seriously?

[ddh33]

I just don't know how much time a guy should get.

Harbaugh won immediately in San Francisco. Many others have done the same thing.

It wasn't that long ago, a coach came to Dallas and took a team that was 5-11 the year before to the playoffs and a 10-6 record with Quincy Carter as the starting QB.

Jason Garrett has been coaching this offense for six years. He has been the head coach for parts of three seasons. How much time do we need?

By the way, I am not someone who thinks that a record is the end-all, be-all. But I don't see any real intangible evidence either. Other than seeing professional athletes actually compete for 60 minute, I don't know what Garrett can hang his hat on at the moment.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by REDVOLUTION

Yes, I believe this needed a thread.

There is alot of emotional posting and some on here seem to think they are experts and all knowing.


Red is going to need time. Its been less than 2 seasons. The team was 1-7 when he took over.


Its going to take time. But I believe he will work out LONG TERM.
Yes, we hate that there is on the job training re: Red.
Yes, we hate that he makes mistakes.
Yes, we hate that he has poor time management skills.

We live in IGS (I do too) and we are just doing a play by play hate of what is happening.

I think Red will win with Dallas. I dont know if Romo will be here but I believe it will happen.

When Jerry was asked after the game to name one tangible sign of success the team has had under Garrett...................all that was heard was crickets.


When the freaking owner cant think of anything that has improved under the current head coach, it is time to get a new head coach.

Thats just cold, hard reality. Jerry didnt mention any of the things you said in your post, in fact, it sounded like Jerry honesty could not think of one reason Garrett should still be head coach.

Think about that for a while.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

Way to stay on point.

Part (obviously not all) of his problem is that his star players hurt him a lot through silly penalties (Guess you missed Witten't false start at the Redskin's freaking six yard line), turnovers (Romo) and being in the tub instead of on the field (Austin, Rat, Murray, etc).

That's not to say Garrett is flawless, but his star players failed for three different coaches.

You think the next coach will suddenly turn lemons (from a team standpoint) into lemonade?

News Flash..........these star players won 2 division titles and a playoff game under the last head coach.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by Cowboyz88

How many playoff games did they win?

The core's done squat as a team.

But, I agree 1000% that the problem is Jerry.

This OL, as a whole, wouldn't start for a D-1 powerhouse.

2009 against the Eagles..........Wade was head coach/Opie watched.


We fired the wrong guy.

[ConstantReboot]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

Here's what I see as a major issue down the road. The more we lose the more Jerry will think he needs to get more involved. He has less patience than most fans. Problem is he doesn't understand he's the biggest problem.

I'm not sure Garrett has or ever will get a fair chance with Jerry.

LOL Garrett has had more chances to show what he can do with any other coach besides Jimmy and Bill Parcells. Unfortunately, he isn't the solution either.

[Ratmatt]

If your players have failed for 3 different coaches,maybe, just maybe,Garrett isn't the real problem.

[ConstantReboot]

Originally Posted by Ratmatt

If your players have failed for 3 different coaches,maybe, just maybe,Garrett isn't the real problem.

Which players are you talking about? If they failed why are they still around?