Anybody Wanting To Give Red More Time, Please Answer This Question

[Beast_from_East]

When Jerry cant think of any tangible sign of success under Garrett, why keep him?


Shouldnt the team be showing some signs of success 35 games into a coache's program? Shouldnt the team be looking better at game 35 than it did at say game 8?

We are the opposite!!! We are looking worse and worse the longer Garrett coaches, so why in the world should he get more time?

Jerry doesnt know, do you

[TTexasTT]

Im not a huge advocate for JG. However, I will just throw the same excuse at you as all the others you have been at odds with. Injuries.
IMHO I dont think Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi, Phil Jackson, Chesty Puller, Bear Bryant and Billy Graham could rally this team to a better record with what has been run out on the field.

[dexternjack]

Originally Posted by TTexasTT

Im not a huge advocate for JG. However, I will just throw the same excuse at you as all the others you have been at odds with. Injuries.
IMHO I dont think Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi, Phil Jackson, Chesty Puller, Bear Bryant and Billy Graham could rally this team to a better record with what has been run out on the field.

Injuries aside, Garrett has a game-plan that is flawed for this particular team. It will not work consistently even if everyone was healthy.

If we had 5 studs on the O-Line, we would be better off, but how much exactly?

This team has many problems standing in the way to the playoffs and injuries are not the main culprit.

[Vanilla2]

If this team had five studs on the o line this team would be in much better shape.

For once Romo would have protection and a running game.

How could you not think thing would be better.

I bet your agenda gets in the way from seeing that.

[dexternjack]

Originally Posted by Vanilla2

If this team had five studs on the o line this team would be in much better shape.

For once Romo would have protection and a running game.

How could you not think thing would be better.

I bet your agenda gets in the way from seeing that.

I said it would be better, but how much better. I never said it would not be better, reading comprehension 101. We still have to have healthy RB's to run behind that line and better play-calls to capitalize on this better line.

I will state my agenda clearly so you can understand it...I want Jason Garrett gone, not in two years but as soon as the season ends. I repeat, Jason was not ready to be a head coach, especially of the Dallas Cowboys.

[TTexasTT]

Originally Posted by dexternjack

Injuries aside, Garrett has a game-plan that is flawed for this particular team. It will not work consistently even if everyone was healthy.

If we had 5 studs on the O-Line, we would be better off, but how much exactly?

This team has many problems standing in the way to the playoffs and injuries are not the main culprit.

I disagree. Sadly, neither of our theories will be tested.
Whichever direction this team decides to go, I just hope it equals wins.

[fifaguy]

I would be very happy if Red is shown the door at the end of the season. Rob can go too.

[dhaber]

So hard for me to say if it's Garrett's fault or not. Over the years I have heard in many sports that the best coaches always seem to say that it wasn't them that made the team great but the players that made the coach look great. Maybe I am over simplifying this but when we roll out the players on this team and really look at what we have can we truly say that this team can compete talent wise with any team in the NFL?
I didn't think that at the beginning of the season, when we were healthier than we are now. We had a lot of holes to fill on this team and it was going to take longer than one off season to do it. Then we tried to patch the OL with guys virtually no one heard of. We still needed a safety or two and general depth on the team. So, starting out, we had enough deficiencies to make it hard to contend with the best teams. Then add to this, the ridiculous amount of injuries we've had, on both sides of the line and we are where we are today.
Are we right calling for the coaches head, I don't think so. I think that we have failed as an organization on many levels. The changes that the Cowboys need starts at the top with Jerry just being an owner and hiring a football GM to run the ship. Since that is not going to happen as per Jerry, this organization is going to have to find a way to work either around or thru this problem if it wants to succeed.
There are a lot of great view points on this site and some real knowledgeable
fans but I don't think any of us really knows how this organization is being run but I know we can all see the players that are being run on the field. There are some very basic things a football team needs and it all starts in the trenches whether any of us likes it or not. If we can't run and the defense knows it what are the chances that we are going to fool them with innovative play calling? It's not rocket science. If we can't put the fear of God in an opposing quarterbacks mind by hitting him on a consistent basis what are the chances he gets rattled enough to make bad decisions on which we can capitalize?
This team has enough issues that some of them need to get cleared up just
we can see what we have left to fix.
Finally, is Garrett the best coach for this team? Don't know. Sure, he has made some bad decisions with game management and with play calling. I think he should give up the play calling duties (another problem)
and concentrate on the just being the head coach which in and of itself is an enormous responsibility. Maybe other guys have been able to do it but I don't think Garrett can handle both jobs at this time in his career, if ever.
And, just because he is Princeton graduate means nothing as far as being a great NFL coach, it just means he may be a smart guy. There are a lot of smart guys out there.
Get better players, coach them well and you will have a better team. Ask any of the most successful coaches and that's what they will tell you.......

[punchnjudy]

Well, Jerry isn't going to point out that their personnel moves have been better as that points toward his own deficiencies.

[lwehlers]

think back to 2007 when we had the best oline since the dominant 70's teams and the cowboys had great offenses. i really believe if garrett had talent on the oline he would be able to excute his offense he wants. as much as garrett has frustrated me this year i still think he will be the head coach next year. jones will not let garrett walk after just two and half seasons as head coach. i really believe that payton will stay with the saints and be the highest paid coach and have almost as much say in what happens with the saints. no way jones will give a head coach that much control. the jone' have not put a good oline on this team to let garrett be sucessful.
we have five games left if this team loses most of the games but plays hard and does not quit i believe garrett will be back. if not then i will first in line to have him fired. this team has not shown me that it wants to quit yet.

[jazzcat22]

Originally Posted by TTexasTT

Im not a huge advocate for JG. However, I will just throw the same excuse at you as all the others you have been at odds with. Injuries.
IMHO I dont think Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi, Phil Jackson, Chesty Puller, Bear Bryant and Billy Graham could rally this team to a better record with what has been run out on the field.

And these are the exact reasons JJ will keep JG.
I'm not saying get rid of JG, but if you have a chance to bring in Payton or Holmgren....and you pass on one of them.....
Not saying they are the answer either.

Truth is not a single one of of can say what the answer is. I know I been disappointed to often that something needs to change. I have not been a fan of Ryan's Defense since day one, and even more down on him now. A new DC will go a long way to improving this team.

[birminghambuckeyes]

While I am not JG defender and in a sane world he would be on a very hot seat, I am not sure he should be fired. Jerry is not getting out of the football side of the Cowboys so nothing is going to fundamentally change no matter who the coach is. JG still does not appear to be a good game manager. They refuse to really fix the OL (Jerry likes shiny objects, not OL, DL). They make bad personnel decisions (e.g., they keep 3rd WR who don't play ST, they keep Arkin who can't get on gameday roster). Now rumblings are that even if they get rid of JG, they will keep a number of assistants -- what head coach worth his salt wants to step into that? On the plus side for JG, this team has not quit (they play hard to the end, but they are not that good).

Their best chance at success may be to give JG one more year to implement his "plan" (which hopefully involves drafting 3-4 OL) and see if he can do anything better.

I have been a Cowboys fan for over 40 years (I am older than that), but I have resigned myself to the fact that until Jerry gets out of the football side, nothing is going to really change. I also realize that is not happening.

[Kangaroo]

The Houston Texans fans went through that for 5 years with the same HC before making the playoffs in year 6. This when the team was regard as possible playoff team before the season. This year we where picked dead last.

Take what you want from that but it would not surlier me if Jason gets one more year.

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by dexternjack

Injuries aside, Garrett has a game-plan that is flawed for this particular team. It will not work consistently even if everyone was healthy.

If we had 5 studs on the O-Line, we would be better off, but how much exactly?

This team has many problems standing in the way to the playoffs and injuries are not the main culprit.

That's a great point and I believe that is the case myself. He coaches this team as if it is the 90's Cowboys with that great line. Hey Garrett, your line sucks so change the game plan.

Secondly is the mistakes. I just don't get it. Five years ago Parcells practically called his team dumb. Five years later we are still seeing the same mistakes. The dumb penalties at crucial times. The offensive drive killing penalties. The defensive drive extending penalties. The dreaded busted coverage that leads to touchdowns. And it goes on and on. I was hoping that Mr. Princeton could fix this. He has had 35 games, an off season and probably a 100 practices. It has only gotten worse. And please I don't want to hear about injuries. injuries are not an excuse. Your backups might not have the ability that your starters do, but they must be mentally capable. Not like are starters are either.

Up until a few games ago, I was hoping that he was the one. I have now come to the conclusion that he isn't.

[Dallas4ever]

Originally Posted by Vanilla2

If this team had five studs on the o line this team would be in much better shape.

For once Romo would have protection and a running game.

How could you not think thing would be better.

I bet your agenda gets in the way from seeing that.

Please name a team in the NFL with 5 studs on the Oline. Or, maybe you're using the term stud very loosely.

Secondly, wanting to see Garrett fired is hardly an agenda at this point. If you were in Dallas, you would know that.