If Sean Payton comes to Dallas

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by FiveRings

No. And Payton isn't coming here anyway but if in your fantasy land, we take in the entire Saints front office, then have at it

Payton aside I don't like this discussion at all because EVERYONE knows JJ is not going to hire a GM over himself.

What a waste of time to even discuss it.

I don't play fantasy-dreamland w/ fans.


Gosh, what would you do w/ 1billion dollars? ZzzZZZZzzZZ BORING!

[Hostile]

There is literally no chance.

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by TVMan

Yes I understand the rule. My point is, would the Cowboys be the first team that the league takes exception with for doing this?

Considering the circumstances.

I don't see why.

The Rooney Rule is not about forcing teams to hire anybody. It's about attempting to curb the disparity between the high amount of African-American players and the low amount of African-American coaches.

By allowing a minority candidate to go first, that presents *some* opportunity for the candidate to knock the socks off the team and become a surprise hire. Granted, that is slim.

But what the Rooney Rule is more set to do is give experience and insight for the minority candidate for future HC opportunities with different teams. By getting the interview, they will know what the process is like and what they have to do in order to get a HC position in the future, be it with that team or another team.

That's why the NFL doesn't go after teams they think are not taking a minority candidate seriously. It's not about actually hiring a minority candidate. That and they would have no grounds to change their mind in this situation.







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[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by theebs

no chance on mickey loomis the gm.

Jerry has decided Stephen is the most qualified GM he knows and will pass the torch to him.

I am sure it was a tough decision amongst the applicants.
Gene Jones, Charlote Anderson (jones), Stephen Jones and Jerry Jr.

of that group jerry has decided on stephen.

and stephen will be singing the praises of payton and how they worked together under parcells and have a relationship. It will be all too convenient.

I absolutely love the idea of sean payton here, it will be like going back to 03 and having a real football coach in charge and I wouldnt be suprised if some of those old assistants showed up here with him.

guys like Todd bowles, Tony sporano (if the jets clean house). david lee, Gary Gibbs etc.

[View Full Quote]I imagine gibbs, sporano and bowles are all going to be part of staffs that are fired. Lee is just the qb coach and could be hired under a promotion.

hiring payton would re-energize this whole thing. It would be a complete 180.

Heck I would take Sporano over Garrett.

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by theebs

I agree, hiring him is not an immediate success story.

Sorry, guess I wasn't clear there... I meant that I think odds are that he won't end up here, not that he wouldn't have success if he did get the job. Because I think he absolutely would. Crayton has been on your favorite radio station the last couple of Saturdays and he has great praise for Payton. Basically says he's like a young Parcells.

[fortdick]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Is there any chance we could get the Saints GM as well?

Why don't you just go all the way and admit being a Saints fan? Its easier than what you propose.

[SDCowboy85]

Originally Posted by TVMan

Not seriously considering a minority candidate for the position. Window dressing if you will. They did it with Parcells. They did it with Garrett.

The rule is a complete joke to begin with. Who is the NFL to say what a "serious" consideration is? They can't tell a team they weren't serious.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Sorry, guess I wasn't clear there... I meant that I think odds are that he won't end up here, not that he wouldn't have success if he did get the job. Because I think he absolutely would. Crayton has been on your favorite radio station the last couple of Saturdays and he has great praise for Payton. Basically says he's like a young Parcells.

Has he said anything about Garrett?

Originally Posted by fortdick

Why don't you just go all the way and admit being a Saints fan? Its easier than what you propose.

Im a fan that wants to see his team finally have some success. So yes I want Sean Payton over Jason Garrett. Of course.

[theebs]

Originally Posted by CowboyMcCoy

Not to mention, the one guy who got the best out of Tony Romo is none other than...drum roll... Sean Payton.

He's coming here!!

sort of.

Romo always credited QB/quality control coach David Lee for his development along with Vinny Testaverde for teaching him how to be a pro.

Payton was knee deep in trying to get torin tucker to block long enough for bledsoe to throw the ball on a day to day basis.

Sean payton matched with romo would be perfect.

I will always remember that 05 season when we lost to oakland were not playing well on offense and then the next week we stomped a mudhole in the eagles at texas stadium. Bledsoe credited parcells for allowing payton to come up with the gameplan and basically let it be his. It was attack attack attack. exactly what we see in new orleans.

it would still take time, but it would reunite the fans and bring back faith that we have a chance and it would get the fans off jerry and stephen.

you can not underestimate that. This morning on the ticket they were telling people the only way to get through to jerry is in april when they call to reup on our season tickets tell them no not if jerry is the gm and garrett is the coach. (its not that simple because of psl's) point stands though.

The jones family is not going to just miss this.

The stadium against the saints and steelers will seal the fate of this whole group. It will force change.

[theebs]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

Sorry, guess I wasn't clear there... I meant that I think odds are that he won't end up here, not that he wouldn't have success if he did get the job. Because I think he absolutely would. Crayton has been on your favorite radio station the last couple of Saturdays and he has great praise for Payton. Basically says he's like a young Parcells.

gotcha.

I heard crayton and he said what many feel, the players would immediately know sean payton was in charge and it would not be like it is with garrett/wade.

That can not be understated.

if the saints and cowboys tank in december I think there is a chance the saints realize paytons value and lay it all out there for him. IF they win and get the 6 seed and we tank.....well anything is possible at that point.

[Howardlittleton64]

No new Coach will have success here unless Mr. Jones gets his nose out of the football end of team operations.

[Chocolate Lab]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Has he said anything about Garrett?

You can tell he's going out of his way to not say anything too negative about him, but he hasn't said much good, either. Basically he sort of avoids too much commentary on him at all.

Couple of small negatives he has said is that Garrett didn't get to know players on a personal basis like Parcells did (players always appreciate that) and that the players did wonder at times why we didn't try to exploit certain matchups more often.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by fortdick

Why don't you just go all the way and admit being a Saints fan? Its easier than what you propose.

Originally Posted by Howardlittleton64

No new Coach will have success here unless Mr. Jones gets his nose out of the football end of team operations.

At least they could put Jerry's roster in the best situation to succeed. Garrett can't and won't do that.

He runs his system and adjusts for nobody.. No wonder Jerry likes him.

[Howardlittleton64]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

At least they could put Jerry's roster in the best situation to succeed. Garrett can't and won't do that.

He runs his system and adjusts for nobody.. No wonder Jerry likes him.

Maybe but I'd prefer that Mr. Jones was just out of the football business. He would drive Payton away or make him totally ineffective as a leader. We are the very definition of dysfunctional franchise. The owner has been screwing this team for going on two decades, recognizes it but refuses to change. We can't possibly succeed and won't with him around.

[theebs]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Lab

You can tell he's going out of his way to not say anything too negative about him, but he hasn't said much good, either. Basically he sort of avoids too much commentary on him at all.

Couple of small negatives he has said is that Garrett didn't get to know players on a personal basis like Parcells did (players always appreciate that) and that the players did wonder at times why we didn't try to exploit certain matchups more often.

he also explained how garrett would take the qb's and go break down film and the gameplan. The wr would do it with there coach...sherman....

in san diego, phillip rivers would come into the meetings with qbs and wr together and explain the gameplan, the matchups and why they are doing what they are doing to the rest of the offensive players.....

he said in Dallas everyone is seperated breaking down this stuff, only the practice film and previous week's game film would be viewed together.

I have no idea which way is the right way, just found it odd since garrett and turner are so close. It might explain why things look out of sync so much to I guess, but its probably way more than something this simple.

I didnt find it interesting that crayton also said he used to have a really good relationship with romo and they were friends off the field and played basketball and stuff together and now they dont even talk.