Nick Eatman: Cowboys sign three.

[Gaede]

Originally Posted by AbeBeta

Who exactly is out there that would help? Most of our signings are going to be guys who take ST time as ST players move into bigger roles. What OL player can do that?

At this time of the year, I'd love to see them sign a couple developmental type OL--like Colombo, Parnell. Someone either w/potential or needing a second chance. We're not going to get someone to help us at all this year, save Holland. Even then, he's not going to save us.

Obviously, you can't really do much with such an injured roster--you need all the roster spots you can get. But I think they could probably spare 1 spot for a developmental guy.

[links18]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Gary Guyton. They did sign him and he stunk out loud. They cut him 3 days later. He was issued #98.

If he stunk that bad why did they sign him in the first place? Just another stupid move by our brain dead front office.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

That's the one!

Thanks for the update.

I was bummed that he didn't work out. I like Guyton.

Jerry Franklin on the PS has #98 now. I had him in a few Mock Drafts, so I am kind of excited to see what he has.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I was bummed that he didn't work out. I like Guyton.

Jerry Franklin on the PS has #98 now. I had him in a few Mock Drafts, so I am kind of excited to see what he has.

The way we're going through 'em, he'll likely get his chance really soon.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

The way we're going through 'em, he'll likely get his chance really soon.

I have never seen an injury bug like this for this team. Someone told me the Packers a couple of years ago. No way. They lost JAGs. No one they lost comes close to Sean Lee, and we lost not only him but the guy who stepped up for him and was awesome, despite people assuring me he couldn't be.

It's not an excuse, we have to keep going. I am just blown away by the injuries.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I have never seen an injury bug like this for this team. Someone told me the Packers a couple of years ago. No way. They lost JAGs. No one they lost comes close to Sean Lee, and we lost not only him but the guy who stepped up for him and was awesome, despite people assuring me he couldn't be.

It's not an excuse, we have to keep going. I am just blown away by the injuries.

This is important.

You can say "next man up" over and over. But imagine if the 49ers lost Willis, Bowman, Sopoaga, McDonald, and Gholdson on defense. That'd be about what we have without Lee, Carter, Ratliff, Coleman, and Church. Yes, we'll get Rat back but still this is pretty extreme.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I have never seen an injury bug like this for this team. Someone told me the Packers a couple of years ago. No way. They lost JAGs. No one they lost comes close to Sean Lee, and we lost not only him but the guy who stepped up for him and was awesome, despite people assuring me he couldn't be.

It's not an excuse, we have to keep going. I am just blown away by the injuries.

The one that baffles me is center.

I've never seen any like the long-term, and sheer number of injuries at that one specific spot.

Nagy, Kowalski, Costa, Cook, Costa (again!).

I hope pick #1 for 2013 is used on a center/guard prospect. The first of about 4 picks I'd like to see used on the offensive line.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I have never seen an injury bug like this for this team. Someone told me the Packers a couple of years ago. No way. They lost JAGs. No one they lost comes close to Sean Lee, and we lost not only him but the guy who stepped up for him and was awesome, despite people assuring me he couldn't be.

It's not an excuse, we have to keep going. I am just blown away by the injuries.

It's definitely not an excuse. I've pointing out the injury bug in a number of threads now, and it's only to highlight that we need depth on the team in order to get where we want to get, not to excuse the overall play of the team.

It *is* a factor in evaluating the job individual players or coaches have done, though, obviously. If you cant point to a dozen injuries that are the primary reason why the defense collapsed, for example, and find that even the backups were well-coached on the fly and are just being beat on talent, then it makes no sense to blame the coordinator. When you're on your 4th Center, you have to take that in mind when you evaluate the job Callahan did here in year one with the OL.

To your GB point, I'd have to go look at their injury list that year, but one thing I remember clearly thinking is that the players they brought in as replacements all played as well or better than the starters. That's not a knock on their starters in my book so much as a real testament to the job they did assembling depth and talent over the course of 3 or 4 drafts. Those guys get 2-3 starters or add quality role players every draft. Over the course of 3 years or so, that really adds up for a good team. You need that in December.

I thought (still think, actually) we had as much or more depth as we've had on any team in Dallas since 2007 here at the start of the season. We were think at S and at C, and OT, but looked really good everywhere else (well, WR was a huge question mark, too, but I thought we'd have a player or two from that position group step up, which, finally, appears to have happened).

Then we promptly lost 4 C, took repeated hits at S (though only one was season-ended), and our OTs both crapped the bed relative to expectations (and the RT has struggled by any objective measure). Add to it the damage we've had at ILB losing two really standout players. It's been brutal.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

The one that baffles me is center.

I've never seen any like the long-term, and sheer number of injuries at that one specific spot.

Nagy, Kowalski, Costa, Cook, Costa (again!).

I hope pick #1 for 2013 is used on a center/guard prospect. The first of about 4 picks I'd like to see used on the offensive line.

I am firmly on the RT bandwagon. I'd like Andy Levitre from the Bills or the Cooper kid from Carolina at OG in the 1st round. But until Miami puts the tag on Jake Long I am going to hope beyond hope for him here. If he can't be had give me Ryan Clady from the Broncos or Andre Smith from the Bengals. I want someone mean at RT in the worst way.

One guy I trust told me Bernadeau was going to remind me of Kevin Gogan. I am not seeing that one at all. Gogan is one of my all time unsung heroes.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Idgit

It's definitely not an excuse. I've pointing out the injury bug in a number of threads now, and it's only to highlight that we need depth on the team in order to get where we want to get, not to excuse the overall play of the team.

It *is* a factor in evaluating the job individual players or coaches have done, though, obviously. If you cant point to a dozen injuries that are the primary reason why the defense collapsed, for example, and find that even the backups were well-coached on the fly and are just being beat on talent, then it makes no sense to blame the coordinator. When you're on your 4th Center, you have to take that in mind when you evaluate the job Callahan did here in year one with the OL.

[View Full Quote]To your GB point, I'd have to go look at their injury list that year, but one thing I remember clearly thinking is that the players they brought in as replacements all played as well or better than the starters. That's not a knock on their starters in my book so much as a real testament to the job they did assembling depth and talent over the course of 3 or 4 drafts. Those guys get 2-3 starters or add quality role players every draft. Over the course of 3 years or so, that really adds up for a good team. You need that in December.

I thought (still think, actually) we had as much or more depth as we've had on any team in Dallas since 2007 here at the start of the season. We were think at S and at C, and OT, but looked really good everywhere else (well, WR was a huge question mark, too, but I thought we'd have a player or two from that position group step up, which, finally, appears to have happened).

Then we promptly lost 4 C, took repeated hits at S (though only one was season-ended), and our OTs both crapped the bed relative to expectations (and the RT has struggled by any objective measure). Add to it the damage we've had at ILB losing two really standout players. It's been brutal.

I can get you Green Bay's list. It was long, but nowhere near the caliber. I'd take Lee by himself over any 5 on that list.

[jazzcat22]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

The one that baffles me is center.

I've never seen any like the long-term, and sheer number of injuries at that one specific spot.

Nagy, Kowalski, Costa, Cook, Costa (again!).

I hope pick #1 for 2013 is used on a center/guard prospect. The first of about 4 picks I'd like to see used on the offensive line.

Parcells did this with the Giants. Drafted 1st and 2nd round for 2 years in a row. So netted 4 starting OL for years and their SB runs.....
no matter the other needs....he went OL, 4 players in 2 years....JJ...you listening.....[uhhh, reading....]

[Hostile]

The CB we signed to the PS was Reggie Evans, not Reggie Jones. From DC.com, unless they made a mistake.

The Cowboys also made two moves on the practice squad, placing wide receiver Danny Coale (hamstring) on injured reserve and signing cornerback Reggie Evans. They still have an open spot on the practice squad and could retain Holmes if he clears waivers.


Just to tell you how decimated we are at LB, we currently have 2 LBs wearing #98. Brady Poppinga and Jerry Franklin. If we sustain another LB injury we're going to need permission from the NFL to use another number not in the 50s or 90s.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by jazzcat22

Parcells did this with the Giants. Drafted 1st and 2nd round for 2 years in a row. So netted 4 starting OL for years and their SB runs.....
no matter the other needs....he went OL, 4 players in 2 years....JJ...you listening.....[uhhh, reading....]

Jimmy Johnson did it a lot too.

Maybe not 1st and 2nd round obviously, but he put considerable resources into it.

Hit on guys like Stepnoski and Erik Williams and also missed on a few as well. But he put enough resources into it that he ultimately got what he needed, an offensive line good enough to allow his playmakers to do what they did best.

This team has failed to listen to the old and wise adage that "games are won and lost in the trenches".

[MichaelWinicki]

Originally Posted by ninja

And just who did you have in mind? Unfortunately, no team out there just out of the blue cut a healthy, starting All-Pro G or T.

The OL is what it is and isn't going to change until after FA and draft.

Correct.

[perrykemp]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I can get you Green Bay's list. It was long, but nowhere near the caliber. I'd take Lee by himself over any 5 on that list.

Green Bay's list this year may be more relevant:

Greg Jennings - Starting WR - Been basically been out all season
Desmond Bishop - Starting ILB - Out all season
Sam Shields - Starting CB - Missed the last 5 games
Charles Woodson - Missed the last 6 games
Nick Perry - Starting OLB - Their 1st round pick OLB from this season -- out for the season
Sherrod - Their 1st round pick LT from last season -- out all season
Bulaga - Their 1st round pick RT from two seasons ago - out for the season

And your right -- injuries affect on the field play -- even the Packers who are as about as deep as any team in the league are having trouble weathering losing their #1 draft picks from the past three seasons plus a number of Pro-Bowl calibers players in Jennings and Woodson. The Packers look like an absolute shell of the team they've been in 2010-2011. Only thing holding them together is Rodgers.

In 2010, the year everyone likes to point to as the proof-point that injuries don't matter, the only significant player they lost was Finley. They lost Nick Barnett also, however, they found that his backup was better in Desmond Bishop.