A little late but I hate the Barry Church signing

[Bowdown27]

His contract is not even close to that bad and would hurt us cap wise. As we can see our secondary and defense was WAY better when he was starting.

[BAZ]

The problem with the contract is if they project him as a starter next year and don't do anything to address safety. If he comes back a shadow of himself and they are expecting him to play at a previous level he is incapable of, that's bad business. It's really just the timing of it. Why not wait until the season is over or see how the draft is shaping up.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by perrykemp

I suspect you aren't in business. It has nothing to do with honesty.

Contract negotiations (of any kind) can take a long time. Things can change during those contract negotiations.

Barry Church could have picked off 4 passes in each of the two games he played in. Do you he think he would have been still willing to accept the contract he was ultimately given?

The answer is no.

Considering that Church finished the last two seasons on IR, I don't think the Cowboys were <obligated> to give him anything other than his RFA tender.

I suspect you are one of those folks who think all types of businesses can be run the same way.

The Cowboys were not obligated to give him anything. But being obligated to do something is not the issue -- the issue is negotiating in good faith. Situations certainly change, but the second you sit down with this guy and make an offer you are telling him that you've liked his performance and want to make a long term commitment.

Jerry did the class thing here. Other players notice that. Agents notice that. People want to deal with you if you do business this way.

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by Numbers921

Marginal physical talent. He's now ruptured his Achilles which will likely take away some of the ability he does have. He may end up starting because of how the Cowboys operate, but it's doubtful that he's going to be a productive player. By my calculations, that doesn't amount to a "starting SS in this league."

So a whole paragraph of nothing, when all you had to say was no, or IMO.

[Bluestang]

No compensation is required for an undrafted player on the lowest tender amount, so teams with valued undrafted RFAs are taking a notable risk by offering such tenders.

This means that if they offered him his RFA tender and he signs elsewhere the Cowboys get nothing. unless you want to tender him a first or second round tender which is more expensive.

[rocboy22]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

No compensation is required for an undrafted player on the lowest tender amount, so teams with valued undrafted RFAs are taking a notable risk by offering such tenders.

This means that if they offered him his RFA tender and he signs elsewhere the Cowboys get nothing. unless you want to tender him a first or second round tender which is more expensive.

exactly. I dont see why anyone is against this. Lock up what seems to be a decent player for extremely cheap and hardly anything on the cap. Who cares about the actual money jerry is pending? so what?? as long as it is not strapping our cap even if we cut him, good deal.

[CATCH17]

You guys have changed my mind since you presented all of the details of the contract.

I just hope we have an insurance plan going into next year because I don't expect this guy to recover for awhile or maybe ever.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

No compensation is required for an undrafted player on the lowest tender amount, so teams with valued undrafted RFAs are taking a notable risk by offering such tenders.

This means that if they offered him his RFA tender and he signs elsewhere the Cowboys get nothing. unless you want to tender him a first or second round tender which is more expensive.

and if he comes back and plays well, we've just bought out three years of UFA.

[AbeBeta]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

You guys have changed my mind since you presented all of the details of the contract.

I just hope we have an insurance plan going into next year because I don't expect this guy to recover for awhile or maybe ever.

Guys come back from Achilles tears all the time now.

[Bluestang]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

You guys have changed my mind since you presented all of the details of the contract.

I just hope we have an insurance plan going into next year because I don't expect this guy to recover for awhile or maybe ever.

a good plan always does

[Bluestang]

can we credit the Cowboys for making a smart move money wise now?

[jjktkk]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

can we credit the Cowboys for making a smart move money wise now?

A few of us would, but the Jerry haters would find something else to get on him about.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

can we credit the Cowboys for making a smart move money wise now?

Yeah i'll go ahead and say I was wrong and that it was a ok move.

I still think I would've waited but I can buy into the fact that Jerry did the right thing and gave him his money since they were already negotiating.


What I can't accept is them bringing Abe Elam back or telling me Matt Johnson is the answer. We need a quality veteran player that will sign a friendly deal.

I just don't feel good about having a DB with an achilles injury starting for this team next season.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by DBOY3141

Because JJ is our GM. Enough said.

Stupid GM's make stupid decisions.

17 years and counting with one common denominator.

Close thread.

[perrykemp]

Originally Posted by jjktkk

A few of us would, but the Jerry haters would find something else to get on him about.

In and by itself I totally agree that the Church deal is fairly low risk -- we aren't talking a lot of money in the grand scheme of the $121m 2013 salary cap.

The problem really isn't the Church deal -- it's the general trend of signing guys two years before their contracts are up (Witten, Ratliff), overpaying players way beyond the market dictates (Austin, Scandrick), and overpaying for free agent talent (Carr this year and the Cowboys attempt at Nnamdi last year).

Add to that that the team is already carrying $30m of dead money from previous bad contracts where Jerry overpaid (Roy Williams, Marion Barber, etc).

Add to that $5m of cap fines this year and $5m in cap fines next year.

Add it all together and you end up with a non-conservative and IMHO illogical approach to building a success roster under the modern day NFL salary cap structure.