RGIII or Andrew Luck

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I hate the fact that we can't get splits better than 10 yards. Pretty sure there is a significance difference in degree of difficulty between attempting a 9 yard seem route in a tight window between multiple defenders and completing a bubble screen.

Just put out the AdamJT signal and he will somehow supply those numbers for you. I don't know where he finds them, but he probably has access to them.

[DFWJC]

Both Texas High School QBs.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Holy Cripes, just looked up RG3's splits ... 22% of his pass attempts are behind the LOS for the season!!!! 66% of his pass attempts have been 9 yards or less. Literally, almost 1 out of every 4 pass attempts is a screen pass or dump off.

True but Washington does a good job of running the ball, hitting the short passes to get the defense to come up, then Washington will take the shot down field. You don't need to throw a lot of deep passes you just need to complete the few you throw.

[BraveHeartFan]

I really don't get the Vick or Culpepper comparisons folks. I just don't.

I think this kid has already played better than either of them ever did as a QB. Maybe that's just me.

[joseephuss]

Griffin is 11 of 25 on passes over 20 yards downfield for 44%. Brady is 15 of 46 on passes over 20 yards downfield for 32%.

Of Griffin's 218 completions, 11 were of 20 yards or longer, which is 5.0%. Of Brady's 298 completions, 15 were of 20 yards or longer, which is 5.0%.

Brady's 46 attempts of 20 yards or longer over 460 pass attempts is 10.0%. Griffin's 25 attempts of 20 yards or longer over 325 pass attempts is 7.7%.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

I really don't get the Vick or Culpepper comparisons folks. I just don't.

I think this kid has already played better than either of them ever did as a QB. Maybe that's just me.

I mostly agree although Culpepper had a truly great season in 2004. It was the 7th best single season as far as passer rating(110.9). He lit it up that year. He also had a couple of other very good years, but I do think Griffin seems much more mature and open to improving. There is no comparison when it comes to Vick who just wasn't a good passer.

[rdskn4eva]

Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

I really don't get the Vick or Culpepper comparisons folks. I just don't.

I think this kid has already played better than either of them ever did as a QB. Maybe that's just me.

Yea people comparing RG3 to Vick are just being lazy.

[Aikbach]

Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

I really don't get the Vick or Culpepper comparisons folks. I just don't.

I think this kid has already played better than either of them ever did as a QB. Maybe that's just me.

This is because you live in reality.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

I really don't get the Vick or Culpepper comparisons folks. I just don't.

I think this kid has already played better than either of them ever did as a QB. Maybe that's just me.

If you think that, I can only assume you didn't watch Culpepper in Minnesota when he had that great offense.

Griffin hasn't had anywhere near the year. He's hyped more. I'll give you that.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by BraveHeartFan

I really don't get the Vick or Culpepper comparisons folks. I just don't.

I think this kid has already played better than either of them ever did as a QB. Maybe that's just me.

It's not just you, it's you and everyone else that doesn't get personal gratification in championing Luck over your rival's franchise QB on a message board.

I find it so very interesting there is so much "analysis" being paid to Griffin's stats, but these same posters have stated very little about Luck's. I guess his 21 turnovers and sub-60% completion percentage aren't an easy sell for their argument. Oh wait, we can just say he's "asked to do more, therefore, it's fine that he performs worse."

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Holy Cripes, just looked up RG3's splits ... 22% of his pass attempts are behind the LOS for the season!!!! 66% of his pass attempts have been 9 yards or less. Literally, almost 1 out of every 4 pass attempts is a screen pass or dump off.

Dude, I wasn't lying. He runs a very dumbed down, simplified offense. The head coach knows he didn't get Andrew Luck. He's got to spoon feed the inferior Griffin. Let him use his athletic ability, ala Michael Vick, to make up for a clear underdeveloped pro skill set.

I'm sure if you asked Rat Face if the offense he's running right now is the offense he intends to run 2 years from now he'd tell you no. It's obvious to anyone without a pig snout on their nose or Baylor blood in their veins.

He can't just be an athletic phenom who may develop into a great QB to his supporters. Nope. He's got to be Andrew Luck. A clearly better player and prospect. Uh, no. Not by a long shot.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

Griffin is 11 of 25 on passes over 20 yards downfield for 44%. Brady is 15 of 46 on passes over 20 yards downfield for 32%.

Of Griffin's 218 completions, 11 were of 20 yards or longer, which is 5.0%. Of Brady's 298 completions, 15 were of 20 yards or longer, which is 5.0%.

Brady's 46 attempts of 20 yards or longer over 460 pass attempts is 10.0%. Griffin's 25 attempts of 20 yards or longer over 325 pass attempts is 7.7%.

Blasphemy!!!!!!

[Naes]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Holy Cripes, just looked up RG3's splits ... 22% of his pass attempts are behind the LOS for the season!!!! 66% of his pass attempts have been 9 yards or less. Literally, almost 1 out of every 4 pass attempts is a screen pass or dump off.

Why are you surprised at that? Look at the percentages of every top QB in the game and you'll see the percentage of passes they throw < 10 yards is fairly invariant.

[TeddyKGB]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi
Holy Cripes, just looked up RG3's splits ... 22% of his pass attempts are behind the LOS for the season!!!! 66% of his pass attempts have been 9 yards or less. Literally, almost 1 out of every 4 pass attempts is a screen pass or dump off.

I wonder if Griffin's pitches in the option game skew that "behind the LOS" number?

I love both Luck and RG3. My thoughts are that while Luck maybe be a top 10 QB for years to come - he is much closer to his ceiling already. I don't think RG3 has quite scratched the surface of his which is a scary thought. For a 2-3 year stretch I say Luck but for a career I take Griffin.

[StylisticS]

Luck has definitely not reached his ceiling nor is he close to doing so.