A Case for Redball

[Eskimo]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

I think they got rid of TO because he wasn't a fan of the way Garrett ran the offense.

TO was in serious decline and was questioning Romo, Garrett and Witten. He had become a distraction and his declining skills could not override the cancer he was in the locker room any longer.

After we sent him packing he didn't last long in Cincinnati before they turfed him.
He tried a comeback after ACL surgery but looked like a UDFA rookie on the field with hands of stone. The FO made the right decision not to bring him back for another year. Jerry made the mistake of extending his original 3-year deal right before the season when he fell apart by the seams. The confidence gained from that contract let him get comfortable and let his true nature shine through.

I don't wish ill will on anyone. But I think it is deserving that he won't have an easy retirement with the riches he earned during his playing days and will have to try to make a living. I look forward to seeing him get fired a few more times before he is finally shoved out of the limelight.

[Vanilla2]

This whole argument is old and tired, but

I think Garrett deserves not one but at least two more seasons.

I think you're kidding yourself if some other coach is magically gonna come in and flip the switch and start winning Super Bowls with a roster that's filled with players that have been able to outlast 3 coaches and will be deeply entrenched in their ways waiting out the next guy because the pitchforks will be out again.

And they escape yet again with no blame directed at them.

You want a new coach?

Fine blow the roster up.

Keep Lee, Carter, Claiborne, Murray, Witten and Bryant.

And then give the new HC the chance that Garrett and all other coaches during the past 20 years never got.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

I think they got rid of TO because he wasn't a fan of the way Garrett ran the offense.

No one is happier he is gone than Tony Romo. I'll leave it at that.

[kevm3]

When your own owner who fast tracked you can't think of a way that you've improved the team, it's time to go.

I like our drafts under Garrett, but it's clear as day he isn't cut out for coaching. I wouldn't mind him being put in a management role somewhere, helping us with the draft and finding talent. On the field, he is actively losing us games by not throwing the challenge flag out there, doing things like icing the kicker, etc. Look at how the offense explodes once his play-calling is removed and we go into no-huddle. We don't have time for Garrett to learn the game. Get him an OC or get us a real head coach and stuff Garrett in a role that he has actually shown having a knack for, which is finding talent.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by kevm3

When your own owner who fast tracked you can't think of a way that you've improved the team, it's time to go...

Where does this talking point keep coming from? I see it cropping up, but don't recall the interview where it came from Jerry.

[Clove]

Originally Posted by Matts4313

Hey all - I wrote this for another forum that I am part of. Part of the reason I wrote it though is due to all the crazy negativity I read here this morning. I thought I would share this with you guys - feel free to rip apart.

Also - PS - Adam, if you are reading this - WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME CAP ANALYSIS!! What kind of shape are we in for next year????

A case for Garrett:

So - As many of you know, I am a supporter =>OF THE DIRECTION<= the franchise is going under Garrett. I emphasis those words to make a point. I do think Garrett as a coach and play caller has some significant deficiencies. Namely, the game day management of the offense and the perpetual problem with penalties (side note, 2003 was the last year we had under 6 penalties a game. We have been in the bottom 10 almost every year since then).

[View Full Quote]So Matt, why do you like Garrett? I think he has brought something that we have sorely lacked for far to long. He brought an identity.

Identity, who cares about that? All that matters are W/L.... Right? Sure - Wins are all that matters. But to build a franchise that can have continued success, you need to have an identity. For some teams that is "Smash Mouth"', "Defense" or "Passing Attack". Others it is simply "fundamental/Smart". But look at the teams that have continued success and they have a coach that embodies the identity of their team. Those coaches are in place for a significant tenure and mold a culture that breeds success.

Well then Mr. SmartyPants - What is our identity? RKG. Right kind of guy. Listen to Garrett talk about any roster move and you will hear this phrase. You will hear it more than once. Its our hope for the Dallas Cowboys, our future. Its a mentality. Its a type of player. Its a type of person. Its the culture that Garrett has started to implement.

Lots of hyperbole there, still didnt define RKG. Well, I can give you what MY definition would be. Not sure if it is Garretts. To me, it means a person with good character. A player who has passion for the game. A scrappy fighter who will give it 100%. Its people who will put in the work. An ode to the old school in that sense - football means more than money or fame. A team full of players that all have the heart of Jason Witten.

Thats cute, but I see an 8-8 team. Wheres the proof? I am impatient. I NEED A SUPERBOWL NOW!! You're right - we are an average team right now. There is no reasonable thought process that says otherwise. But that doesn't mean we are not improving. I posted this in another thread, but take a look at this:

Alright, so we've transformed ~60% of the starters in 2 years. We are still AVERAGE, you said it yourself. Sure, I said it. I think we are average for a few key reasons:
1. We are young in a lot of places
2. Even with all the turnover, not all positions have been appropriately addressed.
3. We are injured... Very injured.


Injuries are an excuse. Besides, we drafted injury prone players, what can you expect? We should be able to overcome *some* injuries. But the truth is we are not talented enough to overcome multiple injuries at key positions. When Garrett took over, he had ~5 great players, ~5 good players, ~5 good enough guys and about ~35 guys who wouldn't make it on most NFL rosters. We know this because we have cut them - and most are buried on a depth chart or not on a team at all.

As for being injury prone, I don't buy into that for MOST NFL players. You want to say Glass Hammy Austin is injury prone? Okay, fine. But to say a guy who breaks a hand one year and then a toe the next year is injury prone is false (in my opinion). He is simply unlucky. Those are two very different injuries that have absolutely nothing to do with each other.


Ok, so what if I bought into your theory? Redball comes in, rebuilds the bulk of the team under our noses, all while giving us some entertaining competitive football to watch. When should we expect playoff success? Good question. Tough to answer. I think it would be fair and accurate to say that this offseason is highly critical to the future of Garrett. I do not think you put Garrett on the "Hot Seat" for all of next year. But I do think there needs to be some internal conversations with Garrett that 2013 needs to be a significantly more disciplined team. I think it should be made very aware to Garrett that the amount of boneheaded mistakes our team makes is beyond unacceptable. If it were me, I would let Garrett know that he be relieved of the offensive coordinator title. As a young Head Coach, he needs to surround himself with smart people who can help him right the ship.



TLDR version: Garrett has planted the seeds of our new identity. He deserves at least one more year to see the fruits of his labor.

Do a write up on how he failed as an offensive coordinator.

[Clove]

Originally Posted by Eskimo

TO was in serious decline and was questioning Romo, Garrett and Witten. He had become a distraction and his declining skills could not override the cancer he was in the locker room any longer.

After we sent him packing he didn't last long in Cincinnati before they turfed him.
He tried a comeback after ACL surgery but looked like a UDFA rookie on the field with hands of stone. The FO made the right decision not to bring him back for another year. Jerry made the mistake of extending his original 3-year deal right before the season when he fell apart by the seams. The confidence gained from that contract let him get comfortable and let his true nature shine through.

[View Full Quote]I don't wish ill will on anyone. But I think it is deserving that he won't have an easy retirement with the riches he earned during his playing days and will have to try to make a living. I look forward to seeing him get fired a few more times before he is finally shoved out of the limelight.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a **** about a nobody disgruntled fan. But when he was here, was our best chance of going places. Too bad we didn't have a QB then or now to do anything about these chances.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by kevm3

Look at how the offense explodes once his play-calling is removed and we go into no-huddle.

The offense explodes from the no huddle because of when we do it in the games. We are usually down and have to move the ball very quickly and the defense is playing soft prevent. I don't know why that is so hard for some fans to understand?

Don't get me wrong, I think JG badly needs to go though.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

The offense explodes from the no huddle because of when we do it in the games. We are usually down and have to move the ball very quickly and the defense is playing soft prevent. I don't know why that is so hard for some fans to understand?

Don't get me wrong, I think JG badly needs to go though.

Seems like defenses would take notice of multiple weeks of Dallas carving up prevent defenses and refuse to play prevent defense.

Maybe not. Probably asking a lot from coaching staffs to notice something like that.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Seems like defenses would take notice of multiple weeks of Dallas carving up prevent defenses and refuse to play prevent defense.

Maybe not. Probably asking a lot from coaching staffs to notice something like that.

Take notice of what? Dallas losing in that situation?