Romo or RGIII?

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Agree. The Patriots are using some Oregon and Florida/OSU (Urban Meyer) concepts which is very neat to see.

And I also agree with your last point, the scheme that you guys run doesn't fit the ability of Romo, such as a spread/ZBS/option scheme would.

We would be chilling in 1st place all by ourselves right now if we were up to date in our scheme imo. Or at least ran a scheme that fit our players strengths.

[Risen Star]

All I know is I would never want the Cowboys to invest so much time and draft picks into Griffin.

[dogberry]

On Cowherd's show, RG was credited with a 4 for 45 success ratio on 3rd and greater than 8.

How does that compare with other QBs?

Are there other numbers we should be looking at?

Is Steve Young the running QB that RG would be compared to in order to access RG's value in the NFL? Following up on SuperPunk's point about running QBs, how long can Griffith be expected to last?

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by jamesdojr

Remember, Cam Newton blew up year number one. So did Vick. They have all the same skills as RGIII.

This is terrible, terrible, terrible logic. Lazy, in fact. It's wanting someone to not be as good as advertised in the long run, so lets compare him to another black quarterback who can run that failed. Where are the comparisons to Steve Young? No wait, we can't do that...he's a HOFer, and you want him to fail.

The biggest reason I believe RG3 will be an all-pro for the next 10+ years is his preparation and work ethic. The quarterbacks who are extremely talented, but lack those intangibles, whether they can run or not, fail. Cam Newton thought he'd arrived half way through last season, and lacks the maturity to take his craft seriously. Hopefully this offseason he'll spend his time watching film of great players to pickup what they do well, and watching film of how he played to eliminate his mistakes. Vick admitted he didn't take film study seriously until after prison. Can you honestly say you see those flaws in Griffin? Seriously? Take a real look at his game, how he prepares, and the type of person he is, and say he's no different than Cam and Vick.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

All I know is I would never want the Cowboys to invest so much time and draft picks into Griffin.

QB is the most important position on the field.

In the current NFL, you do anything necessary to get a good one or you will stink for a long time. Sure, you can try to build a great team around an average QB, but that will take forever and not last long in the salary cap era.

One great QB and you can win for a decade. The Cowboys should actually invest more in the position, not less.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

All I know is I would never want the Cowboys to invest so much time and draft picks into Griffin.

If you need a QB then why not?

They have hope for many years to come because of RG3. There will be people picking them to win this division and go to the Superbowl as early as next year because of him.

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

All I know is I would never want the Cowboys to invest so much time and draft picks into Griffin.

Draft picks i get, what do you mean time? I would say that the Skins haven't invested much in the way of time? Are you saying you wouldn't want to have a qb that was the face of your franchise for 8-14 years?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

We would be chilling in 1st place all by ourselves right now if we were up to date in our scheme imo. Or at least ran a scheme that fit our players strengths.

Romo in a ZBS bootleg scheme would be very dangerous, which is why I am so glad you guys won those December games in 2009 and kept Wade on as HC, I did not want to see Shanahan in Dallas for that reason.

[Jenky]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

I couldn't find anything that specific, I suppose somewhere in the web it is available. Just curious, what would that specific split tell you ?

I don't think Dallas throws behind the LOS to receivers as much as the Redskins do. I think it's mostly to the RB coming out of the back field. Yes, there are instances where I can remember when Romo does throw a quick pass to his receivers, but I think the Skins do it more by a good amount.

I was trying to say earlier that Jason Garrett would never take advantage of RG3's strengths and call more plays like this, if Griffin were to be the QB of the Cowboys. Hell, there would be no QB option run type plays.

This was in response to someone stating that Griffin would be a better QB in Dallas than Romo. It's two different offenses in which many of the fans here don't like what Garrett has done as a play caller and head coach.

[Sifillest]

Originally Posted by Risen Star

All I know is I would never want the Cowboys to invest so much time and draft picks into Griffin.

I'd rather them invest the time in putting together an effective offense.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Romo in a ZBS bootleg scheme would be very dangerous, which is why I am so glad you guys won those December games in 2009 and kept Wade on as HC, I did not want to see Shanahan in Dallas for that reason.

No team wants to see the Cowboys get a legit coach. Heck even some of our own fans are scared of how much better we would be.

[Sifillest]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

No team wants to see the Cowboys get a legit coach. Heck even some of our own fans are scared of how much better we would be.

Meh, i think a legit coach may already be here. I wish we could get a legit GM.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

This is terrible, terrible, terrible logic. Lazy, in fact. It's wanting someone to not be as good as advertised in the long run, so lets compare him to another black quarterback who can run that failed. Where are the comparisons to Steve Young? No wait, we can't do that...he's a HOFer, and you want him to fail.

[View Full Quote]The biggest reason I believe RG3 will be an all-pro for the next 10+ years is his preparation and work ethic. The quarterbacks who are extremely talented, but lack those intangibles, whether they can run or not, fail. Cam Newton thought he'd arrived half way through last season, and lacks the maturity to take his craft seriously. Hopefully this offseason he'll spend his time watching film of great players to pickup what they do well, and watching film of how he played to eliminate his mistakes. Vick admitted he didn't take film study seriously until after prison. Can you honestly say you see those flaws in Griffin? Seriously? Take a real look at his game, how he prepares, and the type of person he is, and say he's no different than Cam and Vick.

Excellent post. We need more posters like you around here.

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by dogberry

On Cowherd's show, RG was credited with a 4 for 45 success ratio on 3rd and greater than 8.

How does that compare with other QBs?

Are there other numbers we should be looking at?

Is Steve Young the running QB that RG would be compared to in order to access RG's value in the NFL? Following up on SuperPunk's point about running QBs, how long can Griffith be expected to last?

Cunningham played 1985-1995 (main team)
Steve Young took over from Montana in 90 played till 98
McNabb played from 1999 to 2009 (main team)
Vick 2001-2006, 2009-2011

Wikipedia can tell you any player's length that you would include in the group.

A point of reference, Peyton Manning, a qb who we all would agree was not the mobile scrambler type played from 1999-2010, and was out a year with his neck injuries.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by Sifillest

Meh, i think a legit coach may already be here. I wish we could get a legit GM.

Based on what? Winning? Playing guys to their strengths? Game management? Overachieving? Anything? What is this mythical thing Garrett has done?


Yes.. If Garrett had a GM that could build a perfect team he would be good. But he'll never have that and all of his philosiphies won't work with this team.