Romo or RGIII?

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by superpunk

He's a mediocre passer who creates problems for defenses because he is a threat to run. The windows are bigger, passing is easier.

He will have to stop running. He can't survive the punishment he's taken for extended periods of time. When he does and the windows get tighter, he's suddenly just a mediocre passer.

Noone has ever made that transformation successfully. Why will Griffin be the first? Why is that so hard to understand?

A mediocre passer? Dude, seriously? He is an outstanding passer who is quick on his reads and if nothing is there, then he can run.. and do so with elite speed.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Wayne02

That's cool, I forgot you can predict the future and you're also a scout as well which is why your evaluations of RG3 hold so much weight.

This whole thread, from both directions, is about predicting the future.

My position simply also has the weight of the past behind it - examples of players similar to RG3 who have come and gone with varying levels of success, but ultimately with all met with the exact same results. Once they have to stop running to protect their health they cannot compete at the same level.

Your position is based on burgundy and gold pom poms and media hype. It makes a nice dream in kethcup and mustard sheets, but there is absolutely no reason to believe Griffin will be the one to break the trend outside of foolish homerism.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by CitySlicker202

I'm not sure which page it was on but someone mentioned that Romo runs a more "complicated" offense and therefore is the more standout passer. So I guess any fool off the street could run Washington's Pistol Offense with all that college stuff right? LoL.

Here's the thing about the Pistol....it requires the QB to make consistent reads on plays that call for an option RB or QB run. No other QB is running this scheme better than RG3 because it is suited to his style of play....making the defense terrified of the threat of him running while setting up Morris or the playaction pass (see Rg3 to Robinson bomb on Thanksgiving Day).

[View Full Quote]Often times, there are 2, 3, or even 4 people in the backfield....all which has defensive coordinators constantly on their toes. People sometimes will bash RG3 for not being a "traditional" drop back passer......I thought the goal was to win games?? Who cares about tradition; exploit you're QB's elite talent and win football games!!

And because of that, RG3's elite speed, big arm, and world class accuracy shines through in the Pistol over Romo and his "traditional" drop back passing.

It's not that Romo's system is more complicated. It's about RG3 having a coach that doesn't play to his strengths much like Romo has to deal with here.

If we had RG3 we would just let him run the script and hope every once in awhile he makes a play outside of the system. I don't think he would be better then Romo at that. At least for awhile.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by Wayne02

We have 2 talent scouts now. That's awesome.

Just blows me away the things I am hearing.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

A mediocre passer? Dude, seriously? He is an outstanding passer who is quick on his reads and if nothing is there, then he can run.. and do so with elite speed.

Quick w his reads?

Lolol. This is the furthest thing from the truth. He's proven to be a first read QB. Luckily for him, often time, his first read is wide open.

When it's not, he struggles immensely.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

It's like people have no idea what on earth they are watching.

Great breakdown SP. no idea why nobody else sees this stuff. Are people just stupid?

They get fooled every time. Ooooh a shiny new running QB! Oh wait, no QB can take 130 carries per season and stay alive. You would think people would learn by now.

But it's the first time the Skins have had a possible competent player at QB in forever. So they're understandably stupidly excited and oblivious to history.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by GloryDaysRBack

Quick w his reads?

Lolol. This is the furthest thing from the truth. He's proven to be a first read QB. Luckily for him, often time, his first read is wide open.

When it's not, he struggles immensely.

One thing about him is that he does have the competency to not make the mistakes. He has a low INT rate which says when the play isn't there he is throwing the ball away. He is football smart. But like I said before, football smart is just part of it, you have to sustain the productivity and with a style of play that puts him at risk for injury more than the average QB, it remains to be seen if he can do that.

[StarMan]

As you can tell from my sig, I'm no Romo fan. But I would rather have him than RG3 who is the latest overhyped QB.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Once again, I didn't argue those points because I didn't disagree. I disagree with the implication that people are basing their positions on race. Further my point on Griffen has more to do with how he reacts when coaches have an entire off season to break him down like they did Newton.

Well that goes for every single rookie quarterback in the game. They all have film on them after the season is over, and they all have to train hard to overcome their weaknesses as defensive coordinators gameplan against them. That isn't exclusive to quarterbacks that are mobile. Why not compare him to Andy Dalton, if that's your rationale. It fits. Why is it always Newton or Vick, but never S.Young? When you have a personal bias towards or against a player, you choose the comparison that better makes your angle and not the one that is more objective.

I'm not saying every person that thinks Griffin will be a bust are basing their stance off race, not at all. But for you to assume that no one is, that's ridiculous. You don't know anyone else's motivations but your own, you can't speak for everyone. I don't think those that do are being racist, I just think they're looking at base similarities and are being too lazy to look further into the player to develop their decision. If that's not you, awesome. Moving on.

[superpunk]

Because most rushing QBs are black.

get over it.

[ufcrules1]

It's pretty telling when a thread/poll is started like this and 60% of the people polled choose RG3... on a Cowboys forum! What does that tell you?

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

It's pretty telling when a thread/poll is started like this and 60% of the people polled choose RG3... on a Cowboys forum! What does that tell you?

Tells me we have alot of overly excited and blind Redskins fans, along with media hyped and historically-oblivious Cowboys fans voting in our polls.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Well that goes for every single rookie quarterback in the game. They all have film on them after the season is over, and they all have to train hard to overcome their weaknesses as defensive coordinators gameplan against them. That isn't exclusive to quarterbacks that are mobile. Why not compare him to Andy Dalton, if that's your rationale. It fits. Why is it always Newton or Vick, but never S.Young? When you have a personal bias towards or against a player, you choose the comparison that better makes your angle and not the one that is more objective.

[View Full Quote]I'm not saying every person that thinks Griffin will be a bust are basing their stance off race, not at all. But for you to assume that no one is, that's ridiculous. You don't know anyone else's motivations but your own, you can't speak for everyone. I don't think those that do are being racist, I just think they're looking at base similarities and are being too lazy to look further into the player to develop their decision. If that's not you, awesome. Moving on.

Maybe you missed the part where I also said I wouldn't make the trade for Luck as well. Either way, I prefer to wait for someone to make a statement that is based on race before implying it as you did. No one here made that leap but you for some reason felt it was necessary to do so.

And just like I don't know what someone's motivation is, neither do you know. The comparisons are legit in terms of situations. Maybe not exact styles of play, but you can't deny there are some of the same elements in their style. Which then leads to the other obvious questions on durability etc.

But making the leap to suggest someone is being racist in their evaluation of a trade scenario and comparing one QB to another is short sighted at best.

[juck]

Biggest thing is RG3 is only 22. he may be overhyped we shall see. Either way he is better than Romo right now. If romo was 22 and at this stage who knows.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Being smart is certainly a major factor. But you have to have the physical tools.I think Griffen is a remarkable athlete and for a rookie a very good QB. But if smarts were the end all be all to run a scheme, then Jason Garrett would have been another Johnny U or Joe Montana.

Absolutely. What do you think Griffin lacks that could hinder his development? I'll be honest, even before we drafted him I was showing my friends his highlights on YouTube, after reading more about his character and work ethic I was sold on him being an all-pro before we made the trade for the #2 pick. I feel Luck and he are simply can't miss prospects that could do whatever you asked of them, and if I was a ******* fan(dear God...), I would trade Romo for him in heartbeat.