Romo or RGIII?

[Lonestar94]

Can't believe all the RG3 love in here. He is Cam Newton 2.0. Once people see more tape on him he will be very limited.

[theogt]

This is an easy question, if only due to age.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

Eventually, this might be true but right now, there is no way RG3 would be better then Romo in this offense. No way, no how, no chance. RG3 might eventually surpass Romo's skill currently but not right now.

Whose offense has been far more productive?

It doesn't matter how "complex" or "simple" (which is a totally false canard btw) is if one is effective and one isn't.

The Cowboys offense simply hasn't been effective when it needs to be. Putting up yards and points after going down 28-3 doesn't impress me.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Lonestar94

Can't believe all the RG3 love in here. He is Cam Newton 2.0. Once people see more tape on him he will be very limited.

If he was Newton 2.0, wouldn't the tape already be out on RG3?

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by erod

If that style takes over the NFL, count me out. I don't watch much college football anymore because I hate that style of play. It's street football, and it's ruining the game.

I wish they'd make a rule that you can only have two receivers, and no one can line up behind the quarterback in the shotgun. Make football about football again.

So when the shotgun came out, were you against that as well?

If anything, I would argue that the pistol is the next direction, because you allow for downhill runs that the shotgun removes. It allows a qb a split second more time to react and the defense has to account more for a run than in a pure shotgun

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

So when the shotgun came out, were you against that as well?

If anything, I would argue that the pistol is the next direction, because you allow for downhill runs that the shotgun removes. It allows a qb a split second more time to react and the defense has to account more for a run than in a pure shotgun

Agree. You see the 49ers adding more pistol elements, NE already has Oregon and UF concepts to their O, Buffalo has ran the pistol as has *gasp* Indy, because Luck can move so well

With guys like Geno Smith and Johnnie football poised to be in the next few draft classes you are going to see the pistol and read option more and more in the NFL in the coming decade. Just wait till Chip Kelly is an NFL head coach

[jamesdojr]

Remember, Cam Newton blew up year number one. So did Vick. They have all the same skills as RGIII. And now look.

Don't annoint RGIII yet. He's pretty frail too and he's gotten blasted this year. He can't take that kind of beating every year or he wont last long at all in this league...

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Whose offense has been far more productive?

It doesn't matter how "complex" or "simple" (which is a totally false canard btw) is if one is effective and one isn't.

The Cowboys offense simply hasn't been effective when it needs to be. Putting up yards and points after going down 28-3 doesn't impress me.

Both teams are 6-6 and the Skins score 26ppg and the Cowboys 23ppg. Looks like their production is about the same to me.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by SkinsFan28

So when the shotgun came out, were you against that as well?

If anything, I would argue that the pistol is the next direction, because you allow for downhill runs that the shotgun removes. It allows a qb a split second more time to react and the defense has to account more for a run than in a pure shotgun

I have to agree. Nothing wrong with the pistol offense. It is a great offense to run the ball out of, I know people focus on the passing and it is important but man when you can run the ball it opens up what an offense can do. If your sitting at 2nd 5 or less it allows the OC to call any number of plays.

RGIII does not have to throw the ball all day long he just needs to be effective when he does throw it. Washington may only throw 2 or 3 deep balls all day but when teams are forced to bring their safety up to stop getting ripped on the run it opens things up so that those 2 or 3 deep balls have a chance for great success.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I have to agree. Nothing wrong with the pistol offense. It is a great offense to run the ball out of, I know people focus on the passing and it is important but man when you can run the ball it opens up what an offense can do. If your sitting at 2nd 5 or less it allows the OC to call any number of plays.

RGIII does not have to throw the ball all day long he just needs to be effective when he does throw it. Washington may only throw 2 or 3 deep balls all day but when teams are forced to bring their safety up to stop getting ripped on the run it opens things up so that those 2 or 3 deep balls have a chance for great success.

All true.

Griffen and Morris are so deadly in the run game that teams always end up cheating down. Then, when they go deep it's a very easy play relatively speaking.
It's a well designed offense given the skill sets of the players involved.

Fun to watch when it's clicking.
I look forward to Dallas beating them in Washinton wk 17.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

Both teams are 6-6 and the Skins score 26ppg and the Cowboys 23ppg. Looks like their production is about the same to me.

Your board has been complaining about the 'Boys lack of first half scoring. The scoring you guys have done (like on TGiving) has been in serious comeback mode. On TGiving, whenever the game was in doubt (2nd quarter or late 4th) RG3 moved the ball on O and got points. Our O has been far more productive and not relying on rallies to pad scoring totals.

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I have to agree. Nothing wrong with the pistol offense. It is a great offense to run the ball out of, I know people focus on the passing and it is important but man when you can run the ball it opens up what an offense can do. If your sitting at 2nd 5 or less it allows the OC to call any number of plays.

RGIII does not have to throw the ball all day long he just needs to be effective when he does throw it. Washington may only throw 2 or 3 deep balls all day but when teams are forced to bring their safety up to stop getting ripped on the run it opens things up so that those 2 or 3 deep balls have a chance for great success.

Yup, which is the genius of the pistol and the zone blocking scheme.

The play action game based off the read option/ZBS is deadly, which is why it is going to be incredibly difficult to "get tape on it and shut it down"

The pistol/read option allows multiple plays and multiple options from the exact same formation. Aldrick Robinson's 68 yard TD came out of a full house backfield, which for any defender looks like an option run about to hit him. The Cowboys secondary didn't have a chance on that play

To me this is the true beauty of the offense. If it continues along this path RG3 will never have to be a one man team, despite the fact that the effectiveness of this O relies on him being out there. The Redskins were able to, despite an overwhelming TOP advantage by the Giants, essentially run the ball to victory on Monday Night.

As you guys saw in the '90s, passing numbers don't matter when you get wins via the run. This board would consider Troy Aikman average at best because of how effective your 1991-1995 running game was

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by DFWJC

All true.

Griffen and Morris are so deadly in the run game that teams always end up cheating down. Then, when they go deep it's a very easy play relatively speaking.
It's a well designed offesne given the skill sets of the players involved.

Fun to watch when it's clicking.
I look forward to Dallas beating them in Washinton wek 17.

Like any offense or defense it comes down to players executing. X's and O's on a play sheet never won a game players executing does.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Your board has been complaining about the 'Boys lack of first half scoring. The scoring you guys have done (like on TGiving) has been in serious comeback mode. On TGiving, whenever the game was in doubt (2nd quarter or late 4th) RG3 moved the ball on O and got points. Our O has been far more productive and not relying on rallies to pad scoring totals.



Yup, which is the genius of the pistol and the zone blocking scheme.

The play action game based off the read option/ZBS is deadly, which is why it is going to be incredibly difficult to "get tape on it and shut it down"

The pistol/read option allows multiple plays and multiple options from the exact same formation. Aldrick Robinson's 68 yard TD came out of a full house backfield, which for any defender looks like an option run about to hit him. The Cowboys secondary didn't have a chance on that play

[View Full Quote]To me this is the true beauty of the offense. If it continues along this path RG3 will never have to be a one man team, despite the fact that the effectiveness of this O relies on him being out there. The Redskins were able to, despite an overwhelming TOP advantage by the Giants, essentially run the ball to victory on Monday Night.

As you guys saw in the '90s, passing numbers don't matter when you get wins via the run. This board would consider Troy Aikman average at best because of how effective your 1991-1995 running game was

I agree. 90's Cowboys used the run very well, we did not need Troy putting up 300 yards like Elway, Kelly, Marino, Favre or Young but we won.

Troy was not interested in his personal stats he wanted to win and best way was to take the league best rusher that allowed Dallas to stay in very manageable down and distance to use the entire playbook and to keep defense guessing.

When Dallas did get into a passing war as we did vs GB in the NFC Championship Troy showed he had every bit of ability as the rest but Dallas relied a lot on the running game.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by superpunk

RG3 has 105 rushing attempts this year.

Tony Romo has 184 rushing attempts for his entire 7 year starting career.

History says Griffin won't hold up. He's going to continue to be knocked out of games via big hits along the sideline. Then he's going to "change his game" and cut out the rushing attempts. Then Dlinemen won't have as many responsibilities. Then the throwing windows get tighter. Then the numbers and wins go down.

We've seen it so many times before. You're fooling yourself if you think it won't happen to RG3.

So what you're saying is, RG3 isn't smart enough to adjust and mature the way every successful QB in history has. Instead, because he can run, he is destined to follow Vince Young and Mike Vick and ultimately become a bad quarterback.

[Deep_Freeze]

As much as I hate to admit it, its not really close, RG3 wins by a landslide. I don't usually get into comparing players, and got alot of love for Romo, but its really a no brainer at this point in each of their careers.

In 5 years, RG3 will be in his prime and we will be at the bottom of the division hoping to find a QB. We don't even have anything that we could trade for him at this point, and its not even close as much as I hate the Skins.

Can't underline enough how much I hate the Skins, the Giants have 2 rings recently but I really don't care.....but I don't like the Skins being good at all.