Romo or RGIII?

[WoodysGirl]

Originally Posted by SkinsHokieFan

Your board has been complaining about the 'Boys lack of first half scoring. The scoring you guys have done (like on TGiving) has been in serious comeback mode. On TGiving, whenever the game was in doubt (2nd quarter or late 4th) RG3 moved the ball on O and got points. Our O has been far more productive and not relying on rallies to pad scoring totals.

Complaining about slow starts and suggesting one team operates their offense more effectively is not really the same thing.

Would we want the team to do more in the first half? Absolutely, but if the 2nd half achieves the end result of a W, I'm not gonna give the W back for the sake of crying that it took a 2nd half rally to achieve it.

And can you really crow when both teams have the exact same record? Sorry, the Skins started out in pure suck mode...and the Cowboys have played around .500 all season. For all the moaning and groaning by Cowboys fans and the overwhemling excitement Skins fans have over RGIII, right now, both teams are in the same boat.

The question is whether the Cowboys can continue to stay afloat and the Skins don't falter down the stretch.

[bbailey423]

LOL at all the people WAITING for more tape. The NFL is SUPER sophisticated these days. There are scouts, advanced scouts, pro scouts, college scouts, etc.....We have 12 weeks of film on this guy. 4 more weeks is going to unlock some secret code?

From DAY 1....DAY 1...against New Orleans...as I sat and watched the game...and saw how many smoke screens they started the day off with...I turned to my buddy and said...RG3 will frustrate the Saints all day. The play calling, matched with his ability is going to keep the defense lunging, gusessing, hesitating...essentially not "playing fast" Which allows OL and RB and WRs that are not OVERLY talented get the space, hole, seperation to make plays. There is only 1 or 2 guys on the Redskins that could start in Dallas (Trent Williams and RG3)....and yet they have from day one moved the ball and scored with a ROOKIE RB and QB...and their so called #1 WR has missed most of the season. He has shown poise beyond his years. At the ends of halves or in the 2 min...the defense is on pins and needles...because he can throw it...or send everyone deep and take off and get 15+. What are you going to do? Spy on him? Good luck having ANY LBer in the league win a one on one battle with him in space.

He is NOT Cam. Cam is a lumbering power type of runner. RG is quick, fast, elusive. And I have not even mentioned how strong of an arm he has. Or how accurate he is. The only thing that will stop him from winning big will be injuries...or the Redskins failing to improve the team around him(which is a sure bet). He has been hit, and hit...and hit....and he comes back every week with the same spring in his step. I don't wish injuries on anyone. But hitting him has proven not to matter much.

[SkinsFan28]

Originally Posted by Jenky

We throw a pass behind the LOS maybe once or twice a game.


Edit - Nevermind, the average is probably less than that.

You play a lot of games then:
Romo Splits : 19 TD, 15 INT, 28 sacks
distance comp att %

Behind Line of Scrimmage 35 50 158 70.0
Pass Thrown 1-10 yds 204 265 1,723 77.0
Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 49 92 964 53.3
Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 6 27 170 22.2
Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 6 13 228 46.2
Pass Thrown 41+ yds 2 9 114 22.2

GriffinIII: 17 TD, 4 INT, 25 sacks

Behind Line of Scrimmage 57 71 307 80.3
Pass Thrown 1-10 yds 96 144 871 66.7
Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 41 64 874 64.1
Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 7 10 199 70.0
Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 0 4 0 0.0
Pass Thrown 41+ yds 4 11 246 36.4

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

Not sure I agree with that. But then it's because I believe the troubles on the OL would do a rookie no favors.

Well, that's a given and would be the only reason that I think anyone should pick RGIII over Romo.

Point being that the Redskins OL certainly aren't much better.

The only reason ? Not the turnovers as well ?
The mobility in spite of the poor overall line ?

Come on...

[JerryJonesMustGo]

Romo fan but RGIII all day long.

Younger, more mobile and ceiling is the best QB in the NFL.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

So what you're saying is, RG3 isn't smart enough to adjust and mature the way every successful QB in history has. Instead, because he can run, he is destined to follow Vince Young and Mike Vick and ultimately become a bad quarterback.

I think he said he IS smart enough to adjust. re-read it.

His point was that once he does adjust (scale back running to prolong a career) his job as a passer will become far more difficult.

I happen to think RG3 will be able to survive by relying on almost entirey passing. But he's right about the history of that not occurring. I believe he can based more on his current passing skills. Watching him throw compared VY is like night and day.

[ufcrules1]

Wow.. 60% here would be in favor of that trade. I'm surprised it isn't 95%.

[Joshmil53]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

Point being that the Redskins OL certainly aren't much better.

The only reason ? Not the turnovers as well ?
The mobility in spite of the poor overall line ?

Come on...

You have Williams and Montgomery possibly going to the pro bowl..

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I agree. 90's Cowboys used the run very well, we did not need Troy putting up 300 yards like Elway, Kelly, Marino, Favre or Young but we won.

Troy was not interested in his personal stats he wanted to win and best way was to take the league best rusher that allowed Dallas to stay in very manageable down and distance to use the entire playbook and to keep defense guessing.

When Dallas did get into a passing war as we did vs GB in the NFC Championship Troy showed he had every bit of ability as the rest but Dallas relied a lot on the running game.

This is what excites me. RG3 doesn't HAVE to pass the ball but has shown the ability to make the throws when a D commits to the run (again see the bomb on TGiving to Robinson, that might be my favorite play of the year to be honest because of everything happening in it)

I hope the direction of this O is to rely on the run and take shots when they are open, I find that to be a far more effective formula for championship football, even in this era of passing

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

Point being that the Redskins OL certainly aren't much better.

The only reason ? Not the turnovers as well ?
The mobility in spite of the poor overall line ?

Come on...

Well its easy to see that with the threat of the run game, and his ability to scramble, it really puts a pause on the pass rush and LBs so that really helps the OL in Washington.

I have to agree, the Skins OL is not much better than ours at the moment. They put alot of pressure on the backend, especially safeties.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by Joshmil53

You have Williams and Montgomery possibly going to the pro bowl..

TWilliams yes, but Will Montgomery?

I have known him since HS, good for him for being an NFL center for as long as he has but there is no way the kid is anywhere near pro bowl caliber

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by erod

If that style takes over the NFL, count me out. I don't watch much college football anymore because I hate that style of play. It's street football, and it's ruining the game.

I wish they'd make a rule that you can only have two receivers, and no one can line up behind the quarterback in the shotgun. Make football about football again.

You remind me of my uncle, who said the WCO wasn't football because it wasn't what he was used to. The game evolves, there are old men who used to play college football in the 50's who refuse to watch today's game because they don't think it's real football. Advances in football happen all the time, some schemes stick, other schemes are wildly successful and then fizzle out. Now THAT is football.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

You remind me of my uncle, who said the WCO wasn't football because it wasn't what he was used to. The game evolves, there are old men who used to play college football in the 50's who refuse to watch today's game because they don't think it's real football. Advances in football happen all the time, some schemes stick, other schemes are wildly successful and then fizzle out. Now THAT is football.

The thing is, schemes such as the spread option and the pistol comes from OLD veer concepts which were used decades ago. Things are cyclical in football, there isn't a whole lot that you can actually do in the game, but how and where certain concepts are applied certainly change over time.

The 49ers are essentially running Gibbs' power scheme of the '80s with a read option element to it since Kapernick has been starting.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

Point being that the Redskins OL certainly aren't much better.

..

That's preposterous

Look, this thread is as much or more about the future than it is today.
No need to make this into "who is better right now" thread.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

Wow.. 60% here would be in favor of that trade. I'm surprised it isn't 95%.

Only on the Zone it would be 60%.

Its not really that close, if I was the Skins I wouldn't take anyone on our team straight up for RG3. Ware and Romo are old in comparison, and noone else on our team is worth a franchise QB.