It's put up or shut up time for Garrett

[Luckenbach]

Giants Halftime Scores
Cowboys @ Giants (7-3 Giants) Final Score 24-17 Cowboys
Bucs @ Giants (24-13 Bucs) Final Score 41-34 Giants
Giants @ Panthers (20-0 Giants) Final Score 36-7 Giants
Giants @ Eagles (7-3 Eagles) Final Score 19-17 Eagles
Browns @ Giants (27-17 Giants) Final Score 41-27 Giants
Giants @ 49ers (10-3 Giants) Final Score 26-3 Giants
Redskins @ Giants (13-13 Tied) Final Score 27-23 Giants
Giants @ Cowboys (23-10 Giants) Final Score 29-24 Giants
Steelers @ Giants (14-10 Giants) Final Score 24-20 Steelers
Giants @ Bengals (17-6 Bengals) Final Score 31-13 Bengals
Packers @ Giants (31-10 Giants) Final Score 38-10 Giants
Giants @ Redskins (13-10 Giants) Final Score 17-16 Redskins

8 of 12 games they've led at halftime; they've won 5 of those 8, and also won a game that was tied at half.

They've gone into the half winning 4 times more times than Dallas...

We may be in striking distance but their method of winning seems much more sustainable than our method that gives a lead at halftime to the other team 85% of the time.

[InmanRoshi]

At some point is someone going to point out how resilient this team has been, overcoming all kinds of things, on their way to winning 4 out of their last 5?

Or have all the good posters from this board been completely run off, and now it's simply for dimwits to collectively compare and contrast how much tonnages of sand they have trapped in the assorted nooks and crannies of their nether regions?

[Luckenbach]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

At some point is someone going to point out how resilient this team has been, overcoming all kinds of things, on their way to winning 4 out of their last 5?

Or have all the good posters from this board been completely run off, and now it's simply for dimwits to collectively compare and contrast how much tonnages of sand they have trapped in the assorted nooks and crannies of their nether regions?

What they've overcome is bad coaching. Yet again we wait until the 4th Quarter to get Dez Bryant involved and what happens? Success...

We could outright smash teams if game planning and play calling was even half-decent. This is evidenced by the fact that only 2 of our 7 wins were we winning at the midpoint.

85% of the time we're losing at halftime. Garrett has always played games close, because he plays not to lose, which gets you his .500 winning percentage and close games no matter if we play a garbage team or a great team. Bengals dropped the ball, literally... this is the only reason we were able to overcome Garrett ignoring Bryant until the 4th Quarter.

This isn't some rebuild year, we have 2 legit WRs, HOF TE, a top flight QB, a RB who plays damn good. Yet we struggle to gain leads. Yes the OL isn't ideal, but it's not like the coaching is trying to cover up the weakness... we're afraid of screens, running on 3rd and 1, have to throw the majority of the 2nd half since we have a 85% chance to be losing at the start of it... These things don't bode well for a good OL more/less a make-shift one.

I bet our OL would fair quite a bit better should we have the lead going into the 2nd half for once.

[TTexasTT]

Originally Posted by Luckenbach

What they've overcome is bad coaching. Yet again we wait until the 4th Quarter to get Dez Bryant involved and what happens? Success...

We could outright smash teams if game planning and play calling was even half-decent. This is evidenced by the fact that only 2 of our 7 wins were we winning at the midpoint.

85% of the time we're losing at halftime. Garrett has always played games close, because he plays not to lose, which gets you his .500 winning percentage and close games no matter if we play a garbage team or a great team. Bengals dropped the ball, literally... this is the only reason we were able to overcome Garrett ignoring Bryant until the 4th Quarter.

[View Full Quote]This isn't some rebuild year, we have 2 legit WRs, HOF TE, a top flight QB, a RB who plays damn good. Yet we struggle to gain leads. Yes the OL isn't ideal, but it's not like the coaching is trying to cover up the weakness... we're afraid of screens, running on 3rd and 1, have to throw the majority of the 2nd half since we have a 85% chance to be losing at the start of it... These things don't bode well for a good OL more/less a make-shift one.

I bet our OL would fair quite a bit better should we have the lead going into the 2nd half for once.

Typical. lol

[wileedog]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

At some point is someone going to point out how resilient this team has been, overcoming all kinds of things, on their way to winning 4 out of their last 5?

While I give them credit, playing the Eagles twice, the Browns, and a Bengal team that couldn't catch a cold today (on either side of the ball) does wonders for a team's resilience.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by wileedog

While I give them credit, playing the Eagles twice, the Browns, and a Bengal team that couldn't catch a cold today (on either side of the ball) does wonders for a team's resilience.

Bet the Steelers wish it were as easy as your make it sound right now. How much did they lose to the Chargers by today? Who sucks more, Mike Tomlin or Dick LeBeau? Welcome to the NFL.

For the team to overcome what they overcame this weeked, with this mismash of spare parts and misfit toys playing defense (particularly after Claiborne went out ... we had friggin Robert Callowy and Sterling Moore out there, for Cripes Sakes) , to go on the road to beat a playoff caliber team is one of the best coaching jobs I've seen by a staff in recent memory. Talk about mental toughness.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Luckenbach

What they've overcome is bad coaching. Yet again we wait until the 4th Quarter to get Dez Bryant involved and what happens? Success...

We could outright smash teams if game planning and play calling was even half-decent. This is evidenced by the fact that only 2 of our 7 wins were we winning at the midpoint.

85% of the time we're losing at halftime. Garrett has always played games close, because he plays not to lose, which gets you his .500 winning percentage and close games no matter if we play a garbage team or a great team. Bengals dropped the ball, literally... this is the only reason we were able to overcome Garrett ignoring Bryant until the 4th Quarter.

[View Full Quote]This isn't some rebuild year, we have 2 legit WRs, HOF TE, a top flight QB, a RB who plays damn good. Yet we struggle to gain leads. Yes the OL isn't ideal, but it's not like the coaching is trying to cover up the weakness... we're afraid of screens, running on 3rd and 1, have to throw the majority of the 2nd half since we have a 85% chance to be losing at the start of it... These things don't bode well for a good OL more/less a make-shift one.

I bet our OL would fair quite a bit better should we have the lead going into the 2nd half for once.

Does the phrase 'four out of five' hold any meaning for you? For reasons I can't quite understand, you seem to be under the impression that NFL games end at halftime.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Bet the Steelers wish it were as easy as your make it sound right now. How much did they lose to the Chargers by today? Who sucks more, Mike Tomlin or Dick LeBeau?

For the team to overcome what they overcame this weeked, with this mismash of spare parts and misfit toys playing defense (particularly after Claiborne went out) , to go on the road to beat a playoff caliber team is one of the best coaching jobs I've seen by a staff in recent memory. Talk about mental toughness.

Other than Ryan giving up three points.

[Coy]

Hats off to JG, his best coaching job of his career, I really hope they keep it going.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Dave_in-NC

Other than Ryan giving up three points.

If he's having to hold teams to under 20 points with Ernie Simms, Rob Calloway and Sterling Moore, I'll give him a pass.

[wileedog]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Bet the Steelers wish it were as easy as your make it sound right now. How much did they lose to the Chargers by today? Who sucks more, Mike Tomlin or Dick LeBeau? Welcome to the NFL.

The Steelers lost a game they clearly looked past so Jason Garret is a good coach. Wait, what?

For the team to overcome what they overcame this weeked, with this mismash of spare parts and misfit toys playing defense (particularly after Claiborne went out ... we had friggin Robert Callowy and Sterling Moore out there, for Cripes Sakes) , to go on the road to beat a playoff caliber team is one of the best coaching jobs I've seen by a staff in recent memory. Talk about mental toughness.

Like I said I give them credit especially for today. But for 3 quarters this team was badly outplayed and outcoached. If the Bengals WRs and CBs could catch we would have lost this going away, but because they let us hang around we got to do what we normally do against bad teams - go to hurry up and score a lot of points late.

They played 3 bad teams (1 twice) and a very borderline playoff contender. I'm happy we could squeek out wins against 4 of them, but the 5 games before that they weren't nearly as 'resilient' against Atlanta, NY, Chicago and Baltimore. Just pointing that out.

[ddh33]

I will absolutely jump in to brag on this coaching staff right now.

This isn't exactly a perfect game. Things are going to go wrong. This team has had a ridiculous number of things go wrong, but they keep fighting and scrapping. I know some people think that just comes with the territory, but you would need to remember Wade Phillips here. I could show you several other teams that have quit too.

This team doesn't quit. That is leadership from players and coaches. They fight through injuries. They are playing with a JV team on defense. But here they are!

No doubt in my mind that Garrett has shown enough to stay on as the head coach. We can debate the merits of having a different play-caller or clock management, but Garrett is showing himself a leader of men. That matters.

[Luckenbach]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Does the phrase 'four out of five' hold any meaning for you? For reasons I can't quite understand, you seem to be under the impression that NFL games end at halftime.

By no means do the games 'end' at half. I am simply projecting the statistic in order to lend credence to the thought that winning last second comeback style is more of an outlier and less the norm.

This 'strategy' of giving up the lead and making a comeback is good for movies, not for Super Bowls. I'll gladly be wrong, I simply do not see that if we continue to stumble into winning that we will be able to maintain our current level of mediocrity, more/less 'improve'.

It isn't a stretch to see that we are winning against the grain, instead of with it. Winning is winning, however continued success is what I desire in this team. Rather than being the outlier of it. If we can ride these 'exceptions' all the way then sweet, but it's hard to give credit to Garrett when he seemingly does not address the weakness in this team week after week.

What's frustrating is that it isn't a stretch to say we can beat any team any Sunday should we reduce the penalties and play to our strengths, however we somehow refuse to do these things until the 2nd half.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by wileedog

I'm happy we could squeek out wins against 4 of them, but the 5 games before that they weren't nearly as 'resilient' against Atlanta, NY, Chicago and Baltimore. Just pointing that out.

And nobody was putting asterisks next to our losses when we were playing the most difficult schedule in the NFL the first half of the season, so it's no time to start putting asterisks next to wins now.

The Cowboys went through just about as difficult 3 days as a team can go through, and we went on the road and beat a winning team in December with the division hanging in the balance with Rob Calloway, Sterling Moore, Ernie Simms and Eric Frampton out on the field. There was a time when this board had enough smart posters where things like that got noticed and discussed, it's a shame they've all been run off and this place has just become a meaningless lower appendage measuring contest to brag about who's more emo, jaded and cynical than thou.

[Dave_in-NC]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

If he's having to hold teams to under 20 points with Ernie Simms, Rob Calloway and Sterling Moore, I'll give him a pass.

I was kidding but we really don't need our DC helping the other team put points on the board.