JJT: Jay Ratliff has become a liability for Cowboys

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

People were calling Witten washed up and in dire need of being replaced in the off-season after Week 3. We don't see those opinions much anymore, since he's now leading all NFL TEs in most major statistical categories.

Must have missed the 'washed-up' posts, glad I did. And good thing for Witten that - unlike Ratliff - he actually came back and played and showed what he can do.

Which is to say, there's not exactly a lot of rational thought and level headed longterm vision by the fans and media surrounding this team.

Obviously.

Fans are referring to Ratliff as 'dominant' when the guy's stat line is a flat line.

He hasn't played much at all and when he has he hasn't been the difference-maker he's being paid to be.

Good thing for me that I'm not invested in a Ratliff jersey to cloud my judgement.

I can see that he's not worth close to what he's being paid and with a bad attitude on top of it needs to go be someone else's problem.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by BAZ

How the hell would JJT know Jerry is 185 pounds?

I see you got to the gut of the story!

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

By several accounts all Jerry said to him were three words: "we need you". If he doesn't like it than maybe he should give Jerry his money back, because at this point he is stealing it anyhow.

We "needed" DeMarco Murray after 2 weeks, not 6. The Cowboy needs didn't make his toe heal any faster.

[JPM]

Originally Posted by BAZ

How the hell would JJT know Jerry is 185 pounds?

He works carnivals on weekends.

[Ntegrase96]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

Must have missed the 'washed-up' posts, glad I did. And good thing for Witten that - unlike Ratliff - he actually came back and played and showed what he can do.




Obviously.

Fans are referring to Ratliff as 'dominant' when the guy's stat line is a flat line.

He hasn't played much at all and when he has he hasn't been the difference-maker he's being paid to be.

Good thing for me that I'm not invested in a Ratliff jersey to cloud my judgement.

I can see that he's not worth close to what he's being paid and with a bad attitude on top of it needs to go be someone else's problem.

Ratliff may not be worth his contract, but did you seriously not see a difference when he was in the line-up?

Of course there are many variables involved, but I thought it was pretty apparent that having Ratliff made a noticeable difference.

[erod]

Money makes 'em soft.

[stasheroo]

Originally Posted by Ntegrase96

Ratliff may not be worth his contract, but did you seriously not see a difference when he was in the line-up?

Of course there are many variables involved, but I thought it was pretty apparent that having Ratliff made a noticeable difference.

I think you would have to define your parameters for 'noticeable difference'.

And then compare those findings to what the player is costing against the salary cap.

And determine for yourself if you feel the team is getting a sufficient return on investment.

I did that for myself and found that in my opinion the answer is absolutely not.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

...Obviously.

Fans are referring to Ratliff as 'dominant' when the guy's stat line is a flat line.

He hasn't played much at all and when he has he hasn't been the difference-maker he's being paid to be.

Good thing for me that I'm not invested in a Ratliff jersey to cloud my judgement.

I can see that he's not worth close to what he's being paid and with a bad attitude on top of it needs to go be someone else's problem.

I wasn't a fan of extending Rat...I'd have franchised him and then let him walk this season, and I thought last season he'd really lost a step. At his age, DTs almost never continue to produce, much less get better after the significant elbow injury. You can't count on many players like LaRoi Glover justifying that second-contract premium on your roster after the body breaks down.

That said, Rat was an absolute beast in limited action this year. I was pleasantly shocked how good he looked early on. I don't know what the stat line says for the games he played, but if he's back and healthy, we definitely need him. The only shot this team's got against good teams is to get ahead of them on the scoreboard and make teams one-dimensional, and then put pressure on their QBs. Rat could be huge in that regard if he's able to come back. Especially with Brees and RGIII coming up in a few weeks.

[erod]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I wasn't a fan of extending Rat...I'd have franchised him and then let him walk this season, and I thought last season he'd really lost a step.

You can only franchise one player, and we used that on Spencer.

I just don't know why we re-signed him when he was already under a friendly contract. There was no need.

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

People were calling Witten washed up and in dire need of being replaced in the off-season after Week 3. We don't see those opinions much anymore, since he's now leading all NFL TEs in most major statistical categories.

Which is to say, there's not exactly a lot of rational thought and level headed longterm vision by the fans and media surrounding this team.

How many games has Witten missed? Man you can't even make that comparison. Sorry, but I am not w/ you in this one.

Comparing Rat to Witt is a laughable offense.

[Dallas]

Originally Posted by stasheroo

Must have missed the 'washed-up' posts, glad I did. And good thing for Witten that - unlike Ratliff - he actually came back and played and showed what he can do.




Obviously.

Fans are referring to Ratliff as 'dominant' when the guy's stat line is a flat line.

He hasn't played much at all and when he has he hasn't been the difference-maker he's being paid to be.

Good thing for me that I'm not invested in a Ratliff jersey to cloud my judgement.

I can see that he's not worth close to what he's being paid and with a bad attitude on top of it needs to go be someone else's problem.

Gittem Stash!

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by erod

You can only franchise one player, and we used that on Spencer.

I just don't know why we re-signed him when he was already under a friendly contract. There was no need.

Honestly, I don't remember the specifics of what I thought (though I'd also have signed Spencer instead of franchising him). Did he have another year left? I might have thought to let him play out the string with the option of franchising him and letting him walk a year later if he was still playing good football. Generally, though, he was too old and too likely to get hurt to extend, and we were being generous to a player we'd had at a very affordable price in his previous contract.

[RS12]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Good teams use their cap money wisely. This is another good example of how there will be dead cap money on the books which prevent signing high quality players to the roster. Ratliff is on the way out.

Easily one of the dumbest extensions Jerry has handed out, and there have been many.

[Manwiththeplan]

Originally Posted by RS12

Easily one of the dumbest extensions Jerry has handed out, and there have been many.

yea, if memory serves me correctly, he extended him coming off a sub par season.

If AdamJT13 is still around, I wonder how much Ratliff would count if we release him post june first. Him and Doug Free.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I wasn't a fan of extending Rat...I'd have franchised him and then let him walk this season, and I thought last season he'd really lost a step. At his age, DTs almost never continue to produce, much less get better after the significant elbow injury. You can't count on many players like LaRoi Glover justifying that second-contract premium on your roster after the body breaks down.

Why would you have franchised him?

He still had 2 years left on his deal when Dallas gave him the extension. I believe it would have been 2011 and 2012.

So, you could have just let him play out his original contract if you were going to let him walk after this season.

I just never understood the contract extension unless it was a reward for outperforming his previous deal.