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Old 12-17-2012   #91
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I don't think Garrett is nearly the stick-in-the-mud OC stuck in the 90s that people want to write him off as. This is a guy with a very good football mind with a very good work ethic who is always looking for ways to get better. I really think the keys to our improvement is adding one premium player to the interior OL, getting Tyron to take the next step and trying to get Free back to his 2010 form or get someone else in there to give us league average play.
I tried to argue this point quite abit here, but instead I was labeled a Garrett homer/apologist-whatever-else-you-can-think-of.
"It's little bit like the description of pornography from years back. It's hard to define it. But you know what it is at the end of it. It's hard to define it. I think you know who is more physical. Often times you see that in the fourth quarter. A lot of time the team on the other side feels it. We pride ourselves on being a physical football team. It's important to us. It's an important time of the year to lay that foundation." - Coach Garrett
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All of the trips and slot sets put the steelers safeties in a bind today.

We use that slot set with two right ends or a fullback almost exclusively As a play action set and it always works. Teams need to declare man or zone before the snap and we are clearing out safeties with the formation.

Anytime you see a slot set with Austin and Dez on the same side just expect play action. It has worked repeatedly this year for td's

I dont recall us ever playing in trips sets this much, we were making the steelers safeties have to play tentatively and keeping the ilb from just having a field day coming down hill.

It was a Great job by the staff today and a great effort from our wr who were repeatedly fighting for first downs.

One of the great wins. We need to capitalize on it.

And James Hannah looks like a keeper....love seeing him get the ball.
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You guys are too funny. Garrett's play calling has never changed, the difference today was the team finally executed the plays that he called, especially the offensive line, giving Romo and the Wrs time to execute the jobs, and they opened some holes for Demarco, plus having Demarco back helps Romo and the passing game as well.

Wrs ran the right routes and made plays when they caught the balls.

You guys remind me of the knuckles heads that were berating Lebron when the Heat lost the the mavericks, then praised him for his play against the thunder, he had the same kind of stats in both finals.
LOL great analogy! Losing players like Murray made Romos job more difficult-But Garrett? He's on his own! Makes no sense. The bandwagon is now Opien!
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I tried to argue this point quite abit here, but instead I was labeled a Garrett homer/apologist-whatever-else-you-can-think-of.
There is a lot of baseless support for Garrett. At least he gave you some type of leg to stand on yeserday. 1 game doesn't change everything but it's progress.

As you can see, there are many, like myself, who are quick to give him credit when he is actually deserving of it.

This blind support is rediculous though. The guy has been terrible for the most part. Yesterday he was the opposite of what he has been.
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And James Hannah looks like a keeper....love seeing him get the ball.
The thing that amazes me is everyone wrote him off as an underwear Olympics pick because he didn't light it up in Oklahoma. He easily had the best metrics of any TE this year and wasn't all that far off from Vernon Davis. So something must have been seriously wrong with him and we heard he had stone hands.

I've yet to see him drop a pass. He looks so fluid out there and totally embarassed Harrison in his attempt at coverage. This guy is a serious mismatch for almost any LB in the league with his size and speed. If he can block acceptably he will create killer mismatches for us when we go to 12 formation (1 RB, 2 TEs, 2 WRs) because defenses will have to stay big against us but we can easily go spread and create mismatches with LBs having to cover Witten and Hanna 1-on-1.
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I thought Garrett called a great game. Regarding the idea this is the same way he has called previous games, I don't think so. He relied on the run more, and also on the third and 1 plays the formation was clearly run formations, unlike previous games where there would be 2 or 3 WRs and a pass play on these situations. I think his play calling looks more balanced. That play call on third and goal on the three to Murray was a thing of beauty. He also made the correct conservative calls which were real gut checks in the fourth quarter, and didn't hand the game to the Steelers. Good stuff. He is growing into the position, and the more willing display of emotions is a good sign as well.
He relied on the run more because the down and distance allowed him to. When Dallas would mess up and put themselfs in long situation then we had to go pass to get back the yardage in order to get the 1st down. You can lean on the run more when your not putting yourself in bad situation due to negitive plays or penalties.

Garrett has said many times he wants a balanced attack but that balance only comes when you can keep yourself in favorable downs and distance. There was nothing in his playcalling that was different only thing that changed was players executed much better.
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I can't believe it but that was a great game by him all around.

There were maybe 1 or 2 things you could 2nd guess but he helped us more than he hurt us today.

The playcalling was the best it had been all year as well. We saw routes that allowed are receivers to have a lot of catch and run opportunities. Finally used them to their strength.

Also props for actually having the team ready from the get go for a change.

Well done.
Agree... best game called all year, better than the first game of the Giants, because the former, the TDs to KO were primarily breakdowns... These TDs were systematic. the first TD, attacked the seams twice with the TEs, off of play-action... beautiful... some nice use of screen plays. the most happy since the first game against Philly, in Garrett's first year when they called the quick pass from the slot to TO off of motion, for that like 70 yard TD.

Ironic though, because what his critics were calling for, he now did...
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One prop I'd like to give Garrett is the emotion he's been showing lately. Obviously you don't want an overly dramatic HC but from tearing up after the Ciny game to screaming at the refs on the reversed fumble call, they're both things I never thought we'd see from him.
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There is a lot of baseless support for Garrett. At least he gave you some type of leg to stand on yeserday. 1 game doesn't change everything but it's progress.

As you can see, there are many, like myself, who are quick to give him credit when he is actually deserving of it.

This blind support is rediculous though. The guy has been terrible for the most part. Yesterday he was the opposite of what he has been.
There has been a lot of baseless criticism on him this has nothing to do with blind support we ran the same damn offense but when players actually run the right routs, the OL blocks well and guys are not making dumb mistakes those plays look a lot better.

You can go on and on about how he was different fact is he wasn't players did a better job
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He relied on the run more because the down and distance allowed him to. When Dallas would mess up and put themselfs in long situation then we had to go pass to get back the yardage in order to get the 1st down. You can lean on the run more when your not putting yourself in bad situation due to negitive plays or penalties.

Garrett has said many times he wants a balanced attack but that balance only comes when you can keep yourself in favorable downs and distance. There was nothing in his playcalling that was different only thing that changed was players executed much better.
I think we saw more quick passes to the receivers in the flats then we have seen all year.

We saw more zone blocking then normal also.

Just getting the ball in our receivers hands is all you need to do a lot of times.
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There has been a lot of baseless criticism on him this has nothing to do with blind support we ran the same damn offense but when players actually run the right routs, the OL blocks well and guys are not making dumb mistakes those plays look a lot better.

You can go on and on about how he was different fact is he wasn't players did a better job
It wasn't just players doing a better job. They had their typical meltdown before the half. We just looked a step ahead of the Steelers all day. We never look a step ahead of anybody.
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my biggest issue with the game calling today was that short KO. Bailey had been booming it and getting nothing but touchbacks. That short KO gave momentum back to the Steelers right after we took the lead. Garrett definitely had himself a Mack Brown moment on that call.
Yep, that was a head scratcher.
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Yep, that was a head scratcher.
Definetely, but with Garrett you're going to get some of that. Hopefully he keeps getting better.
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I think we saw more quick passes to the receivers in the flats then we have seen all year.

We saw more zone blocking then normal also.

Just getting the ball in our receivers hands is all you need to do a lot of times.
The last two games, there has been way more play-action and if people want to attribute it to Murray, when Murray started they were not doing it anywhere near as much.

Notice how nobody is whining about the OL... effective play action can do that for you...
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Here's the deal: we don't really know what goes on during the week because we're not there to witness it. But whatever it is, that's where the biggest credit lies for JG because all season long this team has fought hard and stayed in nearly every single game. It gets mentioned a lot in here but you can't dwell on it because we don't know the details. We can dwell on the play calling, which we do because we watch the plays.

Whatever JG is doing that is getting these guys ready to play on Sundays is an underrated achievement.
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