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12-29-2012
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#616
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Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Location: | Southeast, Unite |
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Originally Posted by KJJ
I'm certainly not comparing the 2 teams but all championship teams had some breaks go their way that helped them on the way to their championships. I pointed out Jerry Rice's TD that was called back in the 92 NFC title game due to a penalty. That was a HUGE break for the Cowboys that would have given SF an early 7-0 lead. That was a tight game for 4 quarters and that TD could have changed everything. The Cowboys 90's teams were dominant teams but even they had some tight games. They had games they won due to breaks. James Washington's fumble recovery in the 2nd SB vs Buffalo in 93 was a big turning point in that game. I'm not saying it won the game for the Cowboys but it changed the momentum. Buffalo had it all going their way until that turnover. If you go through all the games the Cowboys played during their SB runs in 92, 93 and 95 I could point to several breaks that went their way that helped them.
[View Full Quote]Two of the biggest breaks occurred in SB XXX vs the Steelers with Larry Browns 2 int's off Neil O'Donnell. If the Cowboys don't get either pick they don't win that game. What were the odds that 2 int's would come directly to Brown in such critical situations? In the Cowboys first SB win in 92 they were behind 7-0 to Buffalo but it was turnovers that turned that game around. Let's face it the ball was definitely bouncing the Cowboys way that day but they were such a great team they created those breaks. |
Great point.
If not for those Neil O'Donnell interceptions, the Boys might not even be considered team of the 90s. That title would have been shared with the Broncos, who also won two Super Bowls.
Talk about lucky. Those two interceptions from O'Donnell (whom I've knighted as an honorary Cowboy) were absolute gifts.
"Jason Garrett will have the Cowboys in the NFC Championship Game within three years." - Tyke1doe, August 19, 2011
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12-29-2012
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#617
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Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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Originally Posted by BIGDen
Having a differing opinion is one thing, but going on for pages putting down Romo and defending Eli (who is NOT a great QB by any means) is just really strange if you're a Cowboys fan with any clue about QBing, and football in general (of course, that's probably the main issue right there).
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What's so strange about it?
Some posters just like a good debate and are relentless in their opinions.
It doesn't make them any less Cowboys fans.
"Jason Garrett will have the Cowboys in the NFC Championship Game within three years." - Tyke1doe, August 19, 2011
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12-29-2012
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#618
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
Location: | Malibu Ca |
Posts: | 7,105 |
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Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan
Keep drinking your own Kool-Aid.
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You may be drinking something a lot stronger than Kool-Aid late Sunday night into early Monday morning if the unthinkable happens and the Giants somehow make the playoffs and the Cowboys miss out. If you were smart you would have waited until the outcome of Sundays games to start this thread. The season isn't over yet and with as LUCKY as you and some others claim the Giants are who knows what might happen. Even as highly unlikely as their playoff chances are they aren't officially dead yet.
Just imagine how silly you and this thread will look if the Giants were to by some freak fluke of incredible LUCK make the playoffs and MIRACULOUSLY get hot and go on to win another SB and Eli wins his 3rd SB MVP award. It would be the last we would see of you at least under your current username.  |
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12-29-2012
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#619
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
Location: | Malibu Ca |
Posts: | 7,105 |
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Originally Posted by tyke1doe
Great point.
If not for those Neil O'Donnell interceptions, the Boys might not even be considered team of the 90s. That title would have been shared with the Broncos, who also won two Super Bowls.
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Exactly that win sealed the Cowboys as the undisputed team of the 90's. |
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12-29-2012
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#620
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
Location: | Malibu Ca |
Posts: | 7,105 |
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Originally Posted by BIGDen
Having a differing opinion is one thing, but going on for pages putting down Romo and defending Eli (who is NOT a great QB by any means) is just really strange if you're a Cowboys fan with any clue about QBing, and football in general (of course, that's probably the main issue right there).
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Acknowledging that Romo is an excellent QB who's clearly one of the best in the league but pointing out why he's not considered better than Eli isn't putting him down. What's so sad about this and any Cowboys board is if you're honest about Romo and don't have him ranked in the top 5 QB's some think you hate him. That's totally ridiculous! |
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12-29-2012
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#621
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Joined: | Mar 2012 |
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Originally Posted by KJJ
You may be drinking something a lot stronger than Kool-Aid late Sunday night into early Monday morning if the unthinkable happens and the Giants somehow make the playoffs and the Cowboys miss out. If you were smart you would have waited until the outcome of Sundays games to start this thread. The season isn't over yet and with as LUCKY as you and some others claim the Giants are who knows what might happen. Even as highly unlikely as their playoff chances are they aren't officially dead yet.
Just imagine how silly you and this thread will look if the Giants were to by some freak fluke of incredible LUCK make the playoffs and MIRACULOUSLY get hot and go on to win another SB and Eli wins his 3rd SB MVP award. It would be the last we would see of you at least under your current username. |
How would anybody who thinks Romo is better look silly?
Up to this point E-Lie looks pretty silly this year. How did he look the day before this thread was started?
Things can change, so if E-Lie gets another miracle it doesnt change what he did last Sunday, or the rest of this season, or even his career. It just means he got another lucky opportunity that went his way. He'll still be the same ole goofball that makes a ton of bonehead plays. |
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12-29-2012
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#622
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
Location: | Malibu Ca |
Posts: | 7,105 |
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Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan
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Any FAN who judges Romo and Eli week to week looks silly. No one was thinking about how Eli looked the day before this thread was started you were the only one living in the moment. Everyone else was disappointed about the loss to the Saints while you were drooling over Romo's numbers in a losing effort comparing them to Eli's.  Only a silly FAN would start a thread asking everyone if they think Eli is still better than Romo when they weren't even facing each other. The last time they did face each other Romo tossed 4 int's which QB did you think was better then? You probably still thought it was Romo because he passed for over 400 yards and 4 TD's. Both Eli and Romo make boneheaded plays but Eli has been able to avoid them in the games that matter most while Romo hasn't. His 9 turnovers in 6 do or die games back that up. The stats show that in do or die games Eli has been a better QB than Romo.
Romo has turned the ball over 17 times when facing Eli compared to 11 turnovers for Eli. Eli has a head to head advantage over Romo including wins in 2 do or die games. If you want to live week to week then Romo has better than Brees, Brady, Rodgers and Roethlisberger during certain weeks. Neither Eli or Romo have had great years neither were selected to the Pro Bowl. The bottom line is until Romo has some playoff success he'll always be rated behind Eli and other QB's who've had playoff success. Same for Matt Ryan and Matt Stafford playoff success is how QB's are judged...deal with it! |
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12-29-2012
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#623
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A Plastic Container
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Originally Posted by KJJ
You may be drinking something a lot stronger than Kool-Aid late Sunday night into early Monday morning if the unthinkable happens and the Giants somehow make the playoffs and the Cowboys miss out. If you were smart you would have waited until the outcome of Sundays games to start this thread. The season isn't over yet and with as LUCKY as you and some others claim the Giants are who knows what might happen. Even as highly unlikely as their playoff chances are they aren't officially dead yet.
Just imagine how silly you and this thread will look if the Giants were to by some freak fluke of incredible LUCK make the playoffs and MIRACULOUSLY get hot and go on to win another SB and Eli wins his 3rd SB MVP award. It would be the last we would see of you at least under your current username. |
Sigh. I could actually see this happening too. |
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12-29-2012
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#624
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Originally Posted by KJJ
You claimed "A lot of QB's have played far better games than E-Lie did that day but still didnt get a win " and now you've changed it to "as good a performance." In SB X Staubach tossed 3 ints's and had a passer rating of 77.8. Are you going to tell me that performance was as good as either of Eli's SB performances? Staubach's numbers in SB XIII were better than Eli's numbers in his 07 SB win but Eli's performance was still better because he led the Giants on one of the greatest last ditch winning drives in SB history. The problem with you is you're stuck strictly on a QB's "numbers" and even though their numbers might be better than another QB it doesn't mean they had a better performance.
[View Full Quote]You said there are a lot of QB's that have played far better SB games in a loss than Eli did and haven't come up with one. What Eli did on the final drive against NE avoiding a certain sack with only 1:15 seconds left and hitting Tyree then hitting Plax for the winning score outshines any performance by a "losing" SB QB regardless of their numbers.
This discussion is about Romo vs Eli not Staubach vs Eli. Rodger was a much better QB than Eli it's not even close. Staubach got the Cowboys to 4 SB's winning 2 of them and losing 2 to the great Steelers teams of the 70's. Staubach won a number of big games during his career just to get the Cowboys to some of those SB's. They had no business being in SB X but Staubach's Hail Mary to Drew Pearson helped earn them a trip. It was a lucky play and had Eli and the Giants pulled off a miracle like that you and many other FANS would be continuing to cry how lucky they are. Brady has lost his last 2 SB's to Eli but Brady is still by far the better QB. You judge a QB on their "career" not a couple of games.
Based on everything you've posted you go strictly by regular season stats ignoring wins and the turnover column. If a QB doesn't win big games they're going to be rated behind QB's that do. QB's are judged by how they perform in BIG games especially do or die games and Romo is 1-5 in those games. He's suffered 9 TURNOVERS in those games. Just about every QB ranking out there that isn't laced with Cowboy bias has Eli ranked ahead of Romo. Is that because Romo is hated and Eli is loved?  Stop with the agenda that everyone who ranks Eli ahead of Romo loves Eli and hates Romo it makes you look silly.
Romo is one of the best QB's in the league who's ranked easily in the top 10 but he's NOT going to be ranked ahead of QB's who've had playoff success and have won multiple SB's. Why is that so hard for you to understand? There's no fan base that's more delusional than Cowboy FANS. Here's a list of the most delusional fan bases and to no surprise Cowboys fans are in the top 10 most delusional in every poll.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowbo...ans-delusional
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...ost-delusional
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/...as-cowboys-fan
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...l-fan-base.ece
Delhomme only completed 48.5% of his passes vs NE. Although he put up 323 yards and 3 TD's he missed a lot of throws on some key 3rd downs that put NE back on the field. Again you're just looking at the numbers but Delhomme missed on more than half his passes in that game. He had opportunities to drive for the winning score like Eli did but he missed throws. He played a pretty decent game but it sure wasn't better than Eli's performance in either of his SB's. You made the claim that a lot of QB's who lost SB's played far better than Eli and couldn't back it up....case closed!
I'm objective and have backed up my opinions with pages of facts. I've done research and you haven't because your mind is set. You're a biased FAN who looks at nothing but a QB's numbers. You put no importance on wins all you look at are the numbers during the regular season because that's all you have to make your case for Romo being a better QB than Eli. I know how QB's are judged and every (non-biased) QB ranking out there has Eli ranked ahead of Romo. Most have RG3 currently ranked ahead of Romo because those rankings are living in the moment. |
WOW!!! Kudos to all the work you're doing researching this subject, without reading any further I have to say no matter how much fact you put out there someone will have a rebuttal. Not that it can change any of our minds but none the less they will try.
As of yet I haven't seen any one with a post as fact filled and on point as what you have been saying to support your point of view. (Which happens to be mine)  |
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12-29-2012
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#625
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
Location: | Malibu Ca |
Posts: | 7,105 |
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Originally Posted by tupperware
Sigh. I could actually see this happening too.
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Highly unlikely I believe they need 3 teams to lose while they win but you never know anything is possible. Everyone keeps bringing up luck but the Cowboys are pretty darn lucky to have a chance at winning the division tomorrow as bad as things looked for them a few weeks ago. They've been lucky the last 2 seasons to have a chance at the division title in the finale week of the season having only 8 wins heading in. Rarely does 9-7 win a division title. |
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12-29-2012
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#626
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Senior Member
Joined: | Mar 2012 |
Location: | WPB, FL |
Posts: | 2,795 |
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Originally Posted by slomoxn
WOW!!! Kudos to all the work you're doing researching this subject, without reading any further I have to say no matter how much fact you put out there someone will have a rebuttal. Not that it can change any of our minds but none the less they will try.
As of yet I haven't seen any one with a post as fact filled and on point as what you have been saying to support your point of view. (Which happens to be mine) |
He loves the stats. But as they say, stats are like a bikini. They reveal a lot, but they hide the most important stuff.
The eye test is part of the equation as well. That is, watching the game, the team, the other team, and the actual play of the individual QB. When one does this, E-Lie never comes out ahead of Romo! Never!
So, with all of his posts, stats and arguments he still ends up with a big fat ZERO!
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12-29-2012
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#627
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Sometimes I can't understand the dynamics on this forum.
You guys are going to play a very important game in less than 24 hours and this topic has always been in the first page of the Main Forum. Interesting 
Yankees - NY Giants - Knicks - NY Rangers
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12-29-2012
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#628
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
Location: | Malibu Ca |
Posts: | 7,105 |
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Originally Posted by slomoxn
WOW!!! Kudos to all the work you're doing researching this subject, without reading any further I have to say no matter how much fact you put out there someone will have a rebuttal. Not that it can change any of our minds but none the less they will try.
As of yet I haven't seen any one with a post as fact filled and on point as what you have been saying to support your point of view. (Which happens to be mine) |
FANS (homers) don't do research or post facts to support their views their opinions are based totally on their homerism. They don't bother googling anything they just post what they feel in their heart and hit submit. Many of them end up looking foolish by those who are willing to do the legwork to prove them wrong. I've posted numerous links from ESPN, NFL.com and many other sources backing my position only to have some FAN scoff and continue on with nonsense.
I don't engage in any debate unless I've thoroughly researched a topic and have stats and links that support my opinions. It's unfortunate that passionate, long time Cowboy fans like myself have their fandom questioned for being honest, unbiased and objective even though we have stats and facts to support are opinions. I know from some of the PM's I've received that a lot of fans want to read honest, unbiased opinions and I know from some of the other PM's I've received some don't. lol
Last edited by KJJ : 12-29-2012 at 06:55 PM.
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12-29-2012
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#629
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
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12-29-2012
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#630
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You Have an Axe to Grind
Joined: | Aug 2009 |
Location: | Malibu Ca |
Posts: | 7,105 |
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Originally Posted by Shunpike
Sometimes I can't understand the dynamics on this forum.
You guys are going to play a very important game in less than 24 hours and this topic has always been in the first page of the Main Forum. Interesting |
Does this Romo vs Eli debate ever come up on the Giants forum? |
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