Defending RG3 and the Redskins

[playmakers]

The reason RG 3 and now Russell Wilson are so successful, besides they're really good is because defenses come in scared out of their mine. They do the option fake. Well, every team sits back and waits to see who gets the ball and that's the problem. You seen how successful thats been this year. You need to attack it and not let them dictate to you what they're going to do. Your front 3 lineman needs to not even worry about pass rushing and patrol their lanes. Then you bring it from the corners right off the bat. No team has played like that this year. They just sit back and say okay, I'll wait til you decide to pick your option. That gives receivers time to get down field along with safeties not knowing to come up or not. RG3 is a rookie. You see what he has done to every team win or lose besides possibly Pittsburgh. He's going to run regardless of the D we play two or 3x for about 30 yds total.

Like I said, I have my three lineman say Lissmore, Spears and Hatcher (the big guys) patrol just the running back. The corners were coming and fast with corner blitzes, safety blitzes etc. I would keep one safety in the middle really deep. Our db's were maning up. Remember on traditional downs. If its 3rd and 22 then were play different. Opinions

[CapsSkins]

The strength of the Skins' 1st and 2nd down offense is, fundamentally, using the same formation to run several different plays. It eliminates the pre-snap read for the defense and, as we've seen thus far, freezes defenders both in the box and in the backfield giving the offense the advantage.

I think you're mostly right. For any team to have a chance to consistently beat our offense I think you'll have to pick an approach pre-snap and commit. The benefit is that if you pick correctly you can stop the offense. But if you pick wrong you're liable to get burned.

Given that 1) the offense is calling the plays, and 2) the defense usually gives more indicators on their intentions (stacking the box, playing off) I'd say the advantage goes to the offense. Under the scenario you give-- linemen play the run and corners/safeties are coming down, well Robert can throw hot into a relatively open middle or if he manages to escape the blitz he'll have a lot of room to run. Not to mention that if he gets enough time our speedy receivers will beat your guys playing man.

That's the beauty of our first and second down offense. We have the strict advantage of eliminating the pre-snap read and the personnel to make you pay no matter the strategy you use. I guarantee you after giving up a few big plays with your commit approach players will subconsciously become more tentative.

This is why the offense as it is constructed isn't gimmicky. It's in many ways a pro-style offense being run under the pistol and other formations that disguise it. The trick to beating the Redskins is getting to the quarterback (even though blitzing leaves you vulnerable) and taking advantage of a pretty piss poor Washington secondary. But when you play the Skins O you can pretty much expect to give up around 20-25 points. In that sense it's like playing any of the other dominant offenses around the league. The styles may be different but you walk in there expecting to give up around that many points.

Hail.

[bedlamvr]

Your best bet to beat the Skins (and i am a skins fan) is to contain the edges (Shanahan loves the stretch zone playand working the running game outside the tackles) - it also stops RGIII in the zone pass option from running .

If you did try and defend him as in the OP then bringing pressure off the edges from the DB is a sure way to get picked apart in the passing game - RGIII is not Vick or the typical running QB - he can throw quickly and accuratly and the Redskins WR are not great but they can get yards after the catch - you give them free running room by commiting DBs to the pass rush and they will take that all day...

I think the key player in your defense is going to be Anthony Spencer who is playing out of his mind this season - if he can play contain with discipline - he can take a lot of those early read zone option plays away .

The goal of the Redskins is to make you think about stopping RGIII but the guy you really need to stop is Alfred Morris -

The best chance the Cowboys have to win this ball game is on offense - and the Redskins defense (while playing better) is suspect against the big play offense (as the cowboys have) What the skins will aim to do is construct long time consuming drives based on the running of Morris with a little RGIII magic thrown in to keep the big play Cowboys offense off the field .

Stop Morris and you win the game ..

[JBell523]

The Corners have to step up.

I was re-watching the Thanksgiving game, and Brandon Carr was doing his best Jacques Reeves impression. We need him to deliver a game changing play like in the PHI, CIN, & PIT games.

They can't let Garcon, Moss, Hankerson, & Robinson look like all-pros like in the first meeting. Show us why you got paid 50 mil and drafted #6 overall.

[SkinsandTerps]

Morris is typically going to get his regardless of what D the Redskins are facing. He is averaging about 20 carries per game.

Stopping Morris means the Cowboys have to come out on fire offensively. Basically taking him out of the game.
Even then what typically happens the defense will get more aggressive and leave Morris out in the flat wide open.

[Yakuza Rich]

Originally Posted by JBell523

The Corners have to step up.

I was re-watching the Thanksgiving game, and Brandon Carr was doing his best Jacques Reeves impression. We need him to deliver a game changing play like in the PHI, CIN, & PIT games.

They can't let Garcon, Moss, Hankerson, & Robinson look like all-pros like in the first meeting. Show us why you got paid 50 mil and drafted #6 overall.

Garcon, Moss, Hankerson and Robinson looked like All-Pros because the safeties played horribly in that game. The Robinson TD was played by Carr exactly how he should have played it, but McCray was caught napping and got beat terribly.

We can't afford the safeties to play like they did against the Saints. They have to make tackles in the open field (or closed quarters).

But, I agree with Skins and Terps, the only way we win this game is if the offense plays extremely well.






YR

[CitySlicker202]

Someone alluded to a good strategy. The best thing Dallas can do to "slow down" the Redskin offense is to keep us off the field. At the start of the game, if Dallas wins the toss, take the ball and start the game 7-0. That would completely silence Fed Ex Field and put a little pressure on RG3 to orchestrate a rebuttal drive.

Alfred Morris is truly the heart and soul of the offense. Him grounding and pounding up the gut facilitates RG3 option reads outside the tackles, or the playaction pass to Garcon. In essence, you could focus on creating more passing downs which would take the ball out of Morris' hands and force Rg3 to beat you as a "pocket passer" while containing the edges.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Garcon, Moss, Hankerson and Robinson looked like All-Pros because the safeties played horribly in that game. The Robinson TD was played by Carr exactly how he should have played it, but McCray was caught napping and got beat terribly.

We can't afford the safeties to play like they did against the Saints. They have to make tackles in the open field (or closed quarters).

But, I agree with Skins and Terps, the only way we win this game is if the offense plays extremely well.








YR

Not what I saw from re-watching game 1

I saw our defense play good enough to win. Our offense turned the ball over 3 times. That's why we lost. If we come out of the turnover battle even, we will win Sunday.

[tyke1doe]

RGIII has a bum leg. Keep him in the pocket. Don't worry about the read option. The Skins, if they're smart, won't let RGIII scramble. If he does, the Cowboys need to go low. Sorry, but the league has legislated high hits out of the game. So tackle RGIII by the legs. Wrap him up. Take him down. Do a little, subtle "twist" before you let his legs go.

Next, stop Alfred Morris.

Do those two things, and the Cowboys win ... easily. The Redskins have the third worst passing defense. We should run Murray to keep them honest but bomb them silly.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by tyke1doe

RGIII has a bum leg. Keep him in the pocket. Don't worry about the read option. The Skins, if they're smart, won't let RGIII scramble. If he does, the Cowboys need to go low. Sorry, but the league has legislated high hits out of the game. So tackle RGIII by the legs. Wrap him up. Take him down. Do a little, subtle "twist" before you let his legs go.

Next, stop Alfred Morris.

Do those two things, and the Cowboys win ... easily. The Redskins have the third worst passing defense. We should run Murray to keep them honest but bomb them silly.

You also have the Tom Brady rule about going after the legs on a QB.

[Boysathelm]

Originally Posted by tyke1doe

RGIII has a bum leg. Keep him in the pocket. Don't worry about the read option. The Skins, if they're smart, won't let RGIII scramble. If he does, the Cowboys need to go low. Sorry, but the league has legislated high hits out of the game. So tackle RGIII by the legs. Wrap him up. Take him down. Do a little, subtle "twist" before you let his legs go.

Next, stop Alfred Morris.

Do those two things, and the Cowboys win ... easily. The Redskins have the third worst passing defense. We should run Murray to keep them honest but bomb them silly.

Has it come down to that now? What are we, the Dallas Eagles?

[tyke1doe]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

You also have the Tom Brady rule about going after the legs on a QB.

Dang! I forgot all about that.

[ConstantReboot]

This thread is silly where a lot of our so called Cowboy fans think that RG3 is God. Guess what? I think Romo is a better QB than RG3 and has benefited from having a soft schedule. He is gonna have a lot of pressure put on him while Romo has been used to this kind of pressure before.

Without those turnovers in the Thanksgiving game we could have won it. Our offense can keep up with their offense. So its not like we have no chance of winning whatsoever. We have a very good chance of winning this game just as much as they do as well.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by tyke1doe

Dang! I forgot all about that.

In Brady case if you are within 2 feet of his knee a flag flys. Romo on the other hand can be beat up all day and I just do not see roughing calls. I'm not one who buys into the refs are out to get us but given how many shots Romo takes you would think a few flags would fly.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by ConstantReboot

This thread is silly where a lot of our so called Cowboy fans think that RG3 is God. Guess what? I think Romo is a better QB than RG3 and has benefited from having a soft schedule. He is gonna have a lot of pressure put on him while Romo has been used to this kind of pressure before.

Without those turnovers in the Thanksgiving game we could have won it. Our offense can keep up with their offense. So its not like we have no chance of winning whatsoever. We have a very good chance of winning this game just as much as they do as well.

I don't see RGIII as a god, I do see him as a very talented young QB and I think he will improve over time. I don't like it but I think the skins will be a team in the thick of it for a while.