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HoustonFrog · 01-02-2013

[quote=davidyee;4938185][quote=HoustonFrog;4938081] The Skins lost their 2 most dominant defenders for the year and succeeded. Excuses. They didn't stop us from being in games./

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...the Skins had injuries, but the crucial part of their defence was always there.

Had they lost him I would have suspected Haslett would have not had the results of the last (7) games on defence.

Orakpo and Carriker weren't crucial?

davidyee · 01-02-2013

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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

The Skins lost their 2 most dominant defenders for the year and succeeded. Excuses. They didn't stop us from being in games./

Orakpo and Carriker weren't crucial?

...because Haslett had more than enough pressure on Romo without them.

The proof is in Romo's 2nd and 3rd interceptions that were initiated by defensive pressure in his face.

2nd because Witten go driven back into his step forward taking momentum off his ball.

3rd because pressure right up the middle on both sides of the center in his face forced him to go to the left in the flat with a hot read.

The most important part of the defence is someone else. Without him I don't think they would have won some of the games they did in the 7-0 run.

Actually while they sucked as a team last year he was one of the reasons why the defence was so sound.

Mansta54 · 01-02-2013

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The Skins lost their 2 most dominant defenders for the year and succeeded. Excuses. They didn't stop us from being in games./

Orakpo and Carriker weren't crucial?

Ratliff, Coleman, Lee, Carter, Church, Scandrick, Costa, and Murray for a large part of it. All starters except for Scandrick and he plays a lot. The cmparison isn't even close.

HoustonFrog · 01-02-2013

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Ratliff, Coleman, Lee, Carter, Church, Scandrick, Costa, and Murray for a large part of it. All starters except for Scandrick and he plays a lot. The cmparison isn't even close.

How do you know? You don't know their schemes or what they did with those guys. LeRon Landry was hurt all year and they replaced him with a rookie. Cedric Griffin was gimpy the last few games. They were completely banged up all year. Sorry, its an excuse when you're still in games and the other team gets it done but you don't. I'll never understand how people here accept such mediocrity....for over a decade, going on 2 decades now.

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This is one of those threads where I have to conclude either a) many posters are young or b) we now have a pathetic fan base that accepts mediocrity as the norm.

In the 70s it was Super Bowl or bust and expecting excellence. This was in the midst of a record 20 straight winning seasons

80s was same for half of it as we reached 3 NFC Champ. Games. 20 straight seasons ends. Heck, this expectation led to the firing of a legend.

90s it's still expecting excellence and SBs

Now...8-8 is a success and trying hard is what matters? We are so close is a mantra? Pathetic if you think 8-8 is ok. Pathetic as a fan base. I don't care about injuries, etc. All teams have them. Packers won a SB with a record number of them. The Skins lost their 2 most dominant defenders for the year and succeeded. Excuses. They didn't stop us from being in games.

You are the people that Jerry depends on....no sense of expectation and that will buy into anything.

DavidAK · 01-02-2013

I ignored this thread earlier on because I know I would of replied with some smart *** comment. But now that the smoke has settled, I think I agree with you to a point.

We did show a lot of fight that we haven't showed in the past. But I wouldn't call it a successful season. We were 8-8 that's a pretty mediocre record and another wasted year. But like you said, there were some positives coming out of the season that we can build on in 2013.

davidyee · 01-02-2013

[quote=HoustonFrog;4938236][quote=Mansta54;4938222][quote=HoustonFrog;4938202]This is one of those threads where I have to conclude either a) many posters are young or b) we now have a pathetic fan base that accepts mediocrity as the norm./[quote]

...when I started watching the Cowboys full time you were 4 years old.

I also coached football so I learn in that time that mediocrity is the norm. It takes a tremendous amount of hard work, an effort most people are not willing to put into most things in their lives, to stay mediocre never midn elevate to the top.

Getting to the top often is a combination of luck, opportunity, wisdom and hard work.

You can't rely on the first two so you try to maximize on the last two.

Right now my opinion of the 2012 Cowboys team is they were missing the first three.

An OC and a GM could garner them #3 and help th4em develop more of #3 on the team.

You have to keep your draft picks and save your cap money to capitalize on #1 and #2 in the NFL.

Successful people make their own luck. Burning all your currency in trading away draft picks and spending FA money foolishly restricts your ability to capitalize on 2 and 3 when a quality draft pick or FA appears. Wisdom will guide you when to use that currency for maximum effect for the upcoming years.

HoustonFrog · 01-02-2013

[quote=davidyee;4938273][quote=HoustonFrog;4938236][quote=Mansta54;4938222][quote=HoustonFrog;4938202]This is one of those threads where I have to conclude either a) many posters are young or b) we now have a pathetic fan base that accepts mediocrity as the norm./

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...when I started watching the Cowboys full time you were 4 years old.

I also coached football so I learn in that time that mediocrity is the norm. It takes a tremendous amount of hard work, an effort most people are not willing to put into most things in their lives, to stay mediocre never midn elevate to the top.

Getting to the top often is a combination of luck, opportunity, wisdom and hard work.

You can't rely on the first two so you try to maximize on the last two.

Right now my opinion of the 2012 Cowboys team is they were missing the first three.

An OC and a GM could garner them #3 and help th4em develop more of #3 on the team.

You have to keep your draft picks and save your cap money to capitalize on #1 and #2 in the NFL.

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You have a league...and division..that has been winnable for 16 years because of parity. That's my issue. We are one of 6 teams over the time span with only 1 or less playoff wins. That's unacceptable if you consider the 3 decades I mentioned. I started being a fan when I could watch football...1975-1976 or so. My point being, in a majority of 3 decades we expected excellence and now we don't....Jerry doesn't. The fan base has started to tend that way. It's sad, especially since some of your points revolve around Jerry changing...GM, etc.

davidyee · 01-02-2013

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This is one of those threads where I have to conclude either a) many posters are young or b) we now have a pathetic fan base that accepts mediocrity as the norm./

You have a league...and division..that has been winnable for 16 years because of parity. That's my issue. We are one of 6 teams over the time span with only 1 or less playoff wins. That's unacceptable if you consider the 3 decades I mentioned. I started being a fan when I could watch football...1975-1976 or so. My point being, in a majority of 3 decades we expected excellence and now we don't....Jerry doesn't. The fan base has started to tend that way. It's sad, especially since some of your points revolve around Jerry changing...GM, etc.

...at some of my post history you will see where I am petitioning for changes.

It's not Romo or Garrett right now.

I am pointing to possible improvements that I believe would fuel the ability for Dallas to be in the hunt for the Superbowl for years to come, but I am not focusing on the present day QB nor the present HC.

HoustonFrog · 01-02-2013

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...at some of my post history you will see where I am petitioning for changes.

It's not Romo or Garrett right now.

I am pointing to possible improvements that I believe would fuel the ability for Dallas to be in the hunt for the Superbowl for years to come, but I am not focusing on the present day QB nor the present HC.

I got that from your last post. I don't mind Romo. I mind Garrett. I agree on your points except Jerry refuses to change so that is a frustrating stance to wait on.

DWhite Fan · 01-02-2013

At mid season, when they were 3-5, there was a thread asking what the final record would be. I listed 6-10. They finished 8-8, so they out performed my expectations. So, I guess that could be considered successful.

Injuries and tragedy most certainly tainted this season

davidyee · 01-02-2013

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I got that from your last post. I don't mind Romo. I mind Garrett. I agree on your points except Jerry refuses to change so that is a frustrating stance to wait on.

...Jerry changed his spots once after 3 5-11 seasons and he flew to get Parcells.

We can only hope for more or death.

He's older than I so expect to see a different possibility sooner or later.

Whether it leads to a Superbowl is not guaranteed, but I am a believer of changing the common element to see if that leads to improvement.

I now some posters are not, but after 17 years of undesired results I thin we have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Quite frankly there is very little difference between us and the Cleveland Browns in my mind when it comes to final results.

I just differ from some posters on how best to change this reality.

HoustonFrog · 01-02-2013

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...Jerry changed his spots once after 3 5-11 seasons and he flew to get Parcells.

We can only hope for more or death.

He's older than I so expect to see a different possibility sooner or later.

Whether it leads to a Superbowl is not guaranteed, but I am a believer of changing the common element to see if that leads to improvement.

I now some posters are not, but after 17 years of undesired results I thin we have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Quite frankly there is very little difference between us and the Cleveland Browns in my mind when it comes to final results.

I just differ from some posters on how best to change this reality.

I used to get fired up about the draft or some tweaks to make us better..the last 2 years...I just stopped waiting and now I am hoping fro that Jerry come to ***** to get me excited again.

Blackspider214 · 01-02-2013

Hey Jerry Jones. Welcome to the board. Enjoy your stay.

CowboyRoy · 01-02-2013

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Hello friends. Please don't bludgeon me without reading this post in it's entirety. Firstly, the big issue here is the injuries. We got absolutely bombarded on both sides of the ball, to go from that to playing for a division title is a positive to me.

So injuries you say? This was a bad season for injuries? May I jog our memory of the 2010 season? Yep. Both injury ridden season. The one variable? Romo. He saved our season this year, and once again, got screwed over by everyone around him in the final game. Add Romo to the injury tally like he was in 2010 and I promise you Kyle Orton,Steven McGee or no street free agent would have given you a better season.

This was a good season to gauge the teams direction. Romo choked again, we completed the trifecta, yes and yes, but, you can't deny that we saw a different team this year. We saw a team with fight, heart and a will to win. Something that was looked over since the Triplets in Dallas.

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And thats what makes you a low standard garbage of a fan.

Speak for yourself, you certainly dont speak for other proud cowboy fans.

REDVOLUTION · 01-02-2013

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This was a successful season

I just wanted to +1 this.

Its true. And if people take any bias or put aside the football knowledge they dont have then they can SEE this.

Only if they WANT to.