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Old 01-01-2013   #31
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If we get rid of Miles Austin who is our 2nd receiver? I love LOVE harris, but in no way shape or form do i see him as a 2nd receiver.

I agree with you though, this team needs lots of help on the dline. if tyler wilson some how drops to the 2nd round i take him there too.
Witten is the second WR (just happens to play TE).

Hanna should get a bigger role flexed out in the slot.
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Old 01-01-2013   #32
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If we get rid of Miles Austin who is our 2nd receiver? I love LOVE harris, but in no way shape or form do i see him as a 2nd receiver.

I agree with you though, this team needs lots of help on the dline. if tyler wilson some how drops to the 2nd round i take him there too.
Austin really isnt a number 2 anyway. When he had all his success he was playing in the slot.

We need a burner to play that number two position, someone that can stretch a defense. Miles aint him.



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this has been the book on the cowboys since garrett became OC

1) they are not physical and will wilt if punched in the mouth

2) they cant adjust to the blitz

nothing has changed and it rests on the HC and the GM

i like your ideas on FA and the draft and have posted similar stuff earlier, however, if we trade soencer, we need to go OLB high in the draft because ware's effectiveness next season is unknown so we cant get a LB who "needs to learn to rush"

the keys are:

1) build OL, DL, safety, running game

2) get a real OC
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I hope Jerry thinks the same.
jerry is an idiot of the highest order

so, no, he is likely scouting for a QB or CB
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2) they cant adjust to the blitz
If you want to beat the Cowboys offense, blitz blitz blitz and bring it up the middle it works everytime.



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Where to go? You just hope you can add enough talent that it overwhelms our mediocre, stale management on the sideline and off. Our coaching isn't going to provide any advantage so we just have to hope our players can.

It's very discouraging.

BTW, I completely agree with your comment on the officiating. Why can't more officiating crews allow the players to play rather than interjecting themselves into the game so often?

Though I think I know the answer to that, and his initials are R.G.
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Jason Garrett offense rank minus Tony Sparano: 18, 14, 7, 15, 15
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I hope Jerry thinks the same.
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jerry is an idiot of the highest order

so, no, he is likely scouting for a QB or CB
I don't think Jerry's going to view the current state of this team like most other GM's, coaches and/or fans would. Jerry has become reactionary; he's not a GM that has any clue about building a team. That should be painfully obvious to any fan at this point of our extended futility. He sees what works in today's NFL (ie: makes a splash/money) and acts on it. Right now he's thinking about charging up the fan base by looking for an RGIII clone. Gino Smith or a comparable QB scares me because it wouldn't surprise me if Jerry went in that direction should he fall in the draft.

Want an Aikman clone to try and re-live the glory years? Bring in Hutchinson and trade for Henson. Want to copy the Eagle's success with McNabb? Bring in Anthony Wright, Tony Banks and QC. Want a Novachek clone? Bring in Bjornson or LaFleur. Want a hard hitting safety like Woody? Bring in RWI. Need to replace our speedy LB core? Bring in Coakley and Ngyyen.

If anyone thinks Jerry is going to have a plan to rebuild this team in the traditional sense without any "flash" or "wow" factor, they're going to be sadly mistaken.
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One thing to keep in mind with drafting offensive linemen. If you look around the league, offensive line play is as bad as it has ever been. The NFC East offensive line play was horrible for 3 of the 4 teams, and merely average for the fourth team (Redskins). In the NFC North, 3 of the four teams had subpar line play (only the Vikings line was in the average to above average category). In the AFC, many supposed "contenders" had bad lines (Steelers, Chargers), and others were lousy at best (Jets, Titans).

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What you say has merit however you can still get players that can contribute quickly and allowing as many of the OL to “grow” together as possible allows the OL to develop continuity which is essential to producing a good line.

Dropping free agents into the OL is an expensive way to build a line and we’ve not had great success.

Drafting an OL high seems the only way the Boys have hit on good players.
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Austin really isnt a number 2 anyway. When he had all his success he was playing in the slot.

We need a burner to play that number two position, someone that can stretch a defense. Miles aint him.
even we does stretch the field on occasion, he is terrible at adjusting with the ball in the air.

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What you say has merit however you can still get players that can contribute quickly and allowing as many of the OL to “grow” together as possible allows the OL to develop continuity which is essential to producing a good line.

Dropping free agents into the OL is an expensive way to build a line and we’ve not had great success.

Drafting an OL high seems the only way the Boys have hit on good players.
I completely disagree. The Cowboys have been abysmal at drafting OL. With free agency, at least there is a track record of success at the NFL level to pull from.
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Good post. I really like your draft and agree with trading Austin.
Bye Free and Bernadeau.
Bye Austin and Ogletree.
Bye Sensy and McCray.

Bye Garrett.
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This was a great well thought out post, and I appreciate the OP taking the time to put it together.
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Austin really isnt a number 2 anyway. When he had all his success he was playing in the slot.

We need a burner to play that number two position, someone that can stretch a defense. Miles aint him.

yes there is the need for a "burner" at the #2 spot. I think Tony needs to gain more confidence in the other receivers, rather than just Jason Witten and now Dez Bryant. He had that confidence with Miles but after some untimely drops, and injuries, seems like Miles has fallen from grace
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