First Take: Garrett/Norv - Page 10 - Dallas Cowboys Forum

iceberg · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by DavidAK

As I said in another thread. We as fans can go in circles trying to figure out why and what went wrong. We can bring up stats, injurt charts and what not. But at the end of the day our hands are tied.

Can't argue that.

CowboysYanksLakers · 01-01-2013

They both nailed it...

Bleu Star · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by DavidAK

Does Stephen A. hate Dallas or does he see something most blind fans cannot?

The truth is always some where in the middle. He had some valid points here nothing to complain about unless you're just trolling or spaming posts. Argue against his points instead of posting useless trash.

Great post. Well stated. Thanks.

CowboysYanksLakers · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Bleu Star

I still consider the injury angle a crutch. Every single team laces their collective cleats before and during the season in generally the same fashion. Why don't we have the quality depth to push through contingency? Other teams actually do every year.

I agree...

Bleu Star · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Teague31

I think there is good chance the Norv thing happens.

If it does do you can Callahan completely or leave him as OL coach?

I now hope more than anything that we pursue Norv. I want to see what Jason can do when he is given the ability to truly oversee all three phases as HC. He is too tied up down in the weeds Imo. Swallow some pride and hop aboard the Norv welcome wagon.

Bleu Star · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by StylisticS

I disagree with him saying Jerry needs to step in. No, he needs to stay out. If Jason doesn't want Norv, then so be it. I do agree with him though that Jason is showing his arrogance a bit.

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Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Arrogance is often mistaken for confidence though. If he wants to keep fighting for a chance after such a short period of time there's a 50/50 chance he improves.

There's a fine line between arrogance and confidence. Jason is riding that line and I prefer for him to remain on the confidence path. Just my selfish preference as a lifelong Cowboys fan..

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Originally Posted by TwentyOne

i hope JG has the character to step aside from his playcaller-ego and do whats best for the team. And that is finding a OC who knows how to get the job done.

This is where I believe we are quickly approaching a critical juncture. I believe his "in the weeds" play calling combined with his HC duties is clouding the picture. Show us what JG the HC can do. Give up the play calling. Clarity is good.

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Originally Posted by Yoshimitsu

The loser mentality has penetrated the fanbase. It's been like 15 years of Dallas being a complete joke.

Sadly, we have all learned to temper our expectations a bit as the years have passed. That still doesn't mean we have developed a loser mentality. Everyone copes with failure differently. Some of us hop on this board and call everyone every name in the book. Some get away for awhile to clear the heads and then come back to try and make sense of all of it. Others tend to just shrug it all off to avoid letting it get to them. I'm sure most everyone here is well above accepting the status quo.

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Originally Posted by Zordon

I swear some of you guys post more about other posters than the actual team.

So true. After all these years, my ignore list still sits @ zero. I've learned to simply ignore the stuff that might garner an infraction. It's not worth keeping me away from my CZ addiction.

Dodger12 · 01-01-2013

I've always said and always believed that the HC should pick his staff and I feel the same way about JG. Do I think we need an OC and let him (JG) handle the day to day on-field football oversight? Absolutely. But if he doesn't want Norv, then we (ie: Jerry) shouldn't bring him in. It only leads to devaluing the HC's position and authority with the team.

Having said that, we've been down this road before. Wade wanted to bring in Dan Reeves, a proven football man, to be a consultant. Wade knew that JG was in over his head and, unfortunately, that fell through. Could it be arrogance on JG's part? Maybe but we can only guess.

But I do know this. Our HC should be doing everything possible to improve this team, whether it be with personnel or coaching. Norv is a proven play caller. JG also played for a "walk around HC" in Jimmy Johnson. He must see the value of the way Jimmy did his business and saw a formula that obviously worked. He can't possibly be this stubborn, stupid or arrogant.

Mansta54 · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Dodger12

I've always said and always believed that the HC should pick his staff and I feel the same way about JG. Do I think we need an OC and let him (JG) handle the day to day on-field football oversight? Absolutely. But if he doesn't want Norv, then we (ie: Jerry) shouldn't bring him in. It only leads to devaluing the HC's position and authority with the team.

Having said that, we've been down this road before. Wade wanted to bring in Dan Reeves, a proven football man, to be a consultant. Wade knew that JG was in over his head and, unfortunately, that fell through. Could it be arrogance on JG's part? Maybe but we can only guess.

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Excellent excellent post!!! I would love to see Norv on the staff but if JG doesn't want it then so be it. JG does need to do what's best for the team to win cause that's all that counts. WINNING IS PRIORITY!!!!

Plankton · 01-01-2013

I couldn't disagree more with Smith on this. First, Jones has stated on more than one occasion that he wants his head coach to call plays, either on offense or on defense, because he doesn't want a "walk around" head coach (I don't agree with the philosophy - this should be at the coach's discretion). So, the idea that Jones would push for this is way off.

Secondly, even if Jones did push for it, it's wrong for anyone other than Jason Garrett to make the decision. Assistants on a staff need to be there on the wishes of the head coach, otherwise there are divided loyalties and a clear usurpation of the head coach's authority. Garrett would know this better than most with his role on Phillips' staff.

Jones needs to let his head coach control all aspects of the on field product, ranging from selecting his staff to deciding who plays. Anything otherwise is a mess waiting to happen.

Plankton · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Dodger12

I've always said and always believed that the HC should pick his staff and I feel the same way about JG. Do I think we need an OC and let him (JG) handle the day to day on-field football oversight? Absolutely. But if he doesn't want Norv, then we (ie: Jerry) shouldn't bring him in. It only leads to devaluing the HC's position and authority with the team.

Having said that, we've been down this road before. Wade wanted to bring in Dan Reeves, a proven football man, to be a consultant. Wade knew that JG was in over his head and, unfortunately, that fell through. Could it be arrogance on JG's part? Maybe but we can only guess.

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Great post - you beat me by a few minutes on the point you made.

ilovejerry · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by Bigdog24

WOW....Awesome POST....and YES...Stephen A. Nailed it....

Lets hope Jerry Jones stands up and takes control to fix this CRAP...I would love to hear Jerry Jones come out and say Jason Garrett job is on the line...

The reason were in this mess is because of Jerry.

ilovejerry · 01-01-2013

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Originally Posted by zrinkill

Same fans who complain about Jerry meddling ........ are the idiots who now want him to meddle.

THIS!

punchnjudy · 01-01-2013

I just think Garrett's stay here hedges on Romo. If the team isn't successful (say, an nfc champ apperance) under Romo and at some point decides to cut ties with him in favor of a younger QB, I can't see Jerry handing the next "franchise qb" over to Garrett. IOW, if the team isn't successful with Tony, then I think Garrett goes with him.

Bleu Star · 01-01-2013

I'm even willing to miss out on the Norv possibility. Yet still.. Jason Garrett needs to streamline his area of responsibility and bring in an OC. Be the bigger guy here. Go out and find someone to take to Jerry's office. Strength in numbers..

cml750 · 01-01-2013

If Garrett doesn't want somebody to be OC then he should be completely replaced.