Ya'll fix the o-line at all cost are delusional

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

To me passing efficiency speaks to accuracy and not throwing the ball to the other team.

You can keep arguing against the facts, but the bottom line is those three teams have won a bunch of Super Bowls over the last decade. The common threads between them is that they haven't spent a ton of high picks/FA$ on olineman especially guards, but they did on the pass rush.

You want to win in the NFL, get a pass rush and throw the ball accurately to your team when you need to. If Romo can't do it, find someone who can. Big Ben, Eli and Rodgers had no better olines and they were able to in years they won the Super Bowl.

Again, not saying ignore the oline. I'm ok with one in the first three rounds or one in FA, but as the original post suggests, do not spend your entire wad trying to solve one issue on a team with many others to worry about.

Any QB will have a hard time being accurate with the opposition’s defenders in his grill.

It think you’ll find there were other factors in the Steelers, Giants, Green Bay winning the Super Bowl, like their defenses generation Turnovers to give their offenses better filed position of one.

Again don’t tell me what other teams have/can do with their OL.

Tell me that the Cowboys have/can do with their OL.

[bbailey423]

The fact that we THINK a 1st round rookie cannot come in and help/start immediatley is how delusional many fans and this front office really is. We are a team that did NOT make the playoffs. We are team that where NO ONE on the roster has won more than ONE playoff game. THAT IS WHO WE ARE!!!!!!!!!!! There should be ZERO sacred cows in Dallas. No one's job should be safe. What has ANYONE on this team accomplished to feel like their job is safe? And the fact that anybody on this team would feel that way....is the EXACT reason why this culture stinks to high heaven. Guys deciding what position they will/will not play. Guys deciding that in spite of how injured they are, they are going to play ANYWAY (and hurting us in the process) Guys deciding they are going to be on the sidelines during the game...and the coach not having any idea about this. This is a mess. I presume it is getting better...but STILL a mess! And until football becomes FIRST...all we will continue to be is an entertainment outfit. That wins just enough to keep Cowboy fans tuning in. But also loseses enough to keep non-Cowboy fans tuning in.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

I think they could just as easily sign a veteran to be the backup.

RB's are a dime a dozen so I don't know if this is the year we use a high pick on a guy. Heck I wouldn't be shocked if Felix is brought back if he'll take a friendly deal.

Do you remember Derrick Lassic?? How bout Sherman Williams, Kenny Wheaton, and some of the other has beens. Point blank, we have a history of drafting the position high and putting value in even backup RB roles, and that history doesn't suggest the route you are saying.

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

Frankly that's part of the problem.

Ticket sales don't equate to wins.

If it did the Chiefs would the SB contenders every year.

I just telling you the mentality, whether I agree with it or not doesn't matter. Its just something we have done, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen again at all.

The Chiefs don't concentrate on positions that matter, course they usually have great lines.......and they usually suck. And unfortunately this is a sport to make money, so unfortunately ticket sales do matter to an owner who is also the GM.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

Do you remember Derrick Lassic?? How bout Sherman Williams, Kenny Wheaton, and some of the other has beens. Point blank, we have a history of drafting the position high and putting value in even backup RB roles, and that history doesn't suggest the route you are saying.

We also had a history of not drafting OL in the first.

It took 30 years but we did it in the end.

So past history doesn't necessarily tell you what we'll do especially since listening to the GM/Owner on the radio, he seems ready to try anything.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

Any QB will have a hard time being accurate with the opposition’s defenders in his grill.

It think you’ll find there were other factors in the Steelers, Giants, Green Bay winning the Super Bowl, like their defenses generation Turnovers to give their offenses better filed position of one.

Again don’t tell me what other teams have/can do with their OL.

Tell me that the Cowboys have/can do with their OL.

If turnovers produced by the D is this important to you, you should want Gerald out of the starting lineuup....immediately.

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

We also had a history of not drafting OL in the first.

It took 30 years but we did it in the end.

So past history doesn't necessarily tell you what we'll do especially since listening to the GM/Owner on the radio, he seems ready to try anything.

Drafting an LT is different any other OL position cause it is a premium position that deserves a premium player.

LT isn't the same thing as interior OL, no matter how you try to spin it. I don't venture to know if this is true or not, but I would be willing to wager an interior OL has never been taken in the top 10 picks.

The reason is, the value just isn't there for the position. But for a LT, the value is there and it has to be taken high....and yes even Jerry can realize that.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

Any QB will have a hard time being accurate with the opposition’s defenders in his grill.

It think you’ll find there were other factors in the Steelers, Giants, Green Bay winning the Super Bowl, like their defenses generation Turnovers to give their offenses better filed position of one.

Again don’t tell me what other teams have/can do with their OL.

Tell me that the Cowboys have/can do with their OL.

Why do the fix the oline crowd keep ignoring history only when it's convenient. It's ok to point out the Cowboys failures, but when you bring up Super Bowls and who won them- suddenly history is irrelevant. I've always been told the easiest way to find success is by emulating the behaviour of the successful.

Do you not think you have a franchise QB? If so, they shouldn't have to spend all of there resources on the oline and if they do can you tell me this team will be a Super Bowl contender? I don't because the dline will be staffed with dinosaurs and has beens and you have no idea if DWare will be healthy all year. If he isn't healthy-no playoffs for the Cowboys that I can assure you if there is no one else besides Spencer who can provide pressure.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

If turnovers produced by the D is this important to you, you should want Gerald out of the starting lineuup....immediately.



Drafting an LT is different any other OL position cause it is a premium position that deserves a premium player.

LT isn't the same thing as interior OL, no matter how you try to spin it. I don't venture to know if this is true or not, but I would be willing to wager an interior OL has never been taken in the top 10 picks.

The reason is, the value just isn't there for the position. But for a LT, the value is there and it has to be taken high....and yes even Jerry can realize that.

Paul Pasqualoni generated 20 turnovers (this year in 16 games we generated 21) in the last 8 games of the 2010 season with Gerald and Alan Ball at safety.

So if safety is of such vital importance to generating turnovers tell me how he managed that?

And in case you’ve missed it we don’t pick in the top 10 this year.

We’re picking 18th and I think you’ll find other teams would disagree with your impression that an interior OL isn’t worth the pick.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Nothing. The Bills have spent pick after pick building an oline-what has that got them? The Eagles-how many lineman have they drafted and spent huge dollars on?

My point is Big Ben, Eli and Rodgers all had to deal with average or below average olines, they managed to win Super Bowls. If Romo has to have the perfect oline, the perfect Wr's, the perfect RB--is he really that good to begin with? If he gets them and they score in bunches, but the defense can't stop anyone will it really matter?

Dline/pass rush first, oline next, safety third (if the Boys don't think Church comes back 100% healthy).

I think the line should be built with second and third picks and sometimes you get lucky with a later round pick or undrafted free agent. The dline should be addressed in the first in this draft.
The QBs you listed are not playing in this offense, so comparisons are worthless. It is not just Romo that needs a better line. For this offense to work, the running game has to work. Every offense has certain positions that makes it work. This offense needs a solid oline. If Dallas won't spend the resources to get a line, they need to change.

I feel the same way about the 3-4 defense. If they don't get a big NT and some solid DEs, they need to change.
I agree with your point on Romo needing top talent at all the positions. I feel the same way about Rob Ryan. If he needs all the resources to make his defense work, they need a different DC. He used most of the draft and most of the free agents last offseason. If they have to do it again, it is time for him to go.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Why do the fix the oline crowd keep ignoring history only when it's convenient. It's ok to point out the Cowboys failures, but when you bring up Super Bowls and who won them- suddenly history is irrelevant. I've always been told the easiest way to find success is by emulating the behaviour of the successful.

Do you not think you have a franchise QB? If so, they shouldn't have to spend all of there resources on the oline and if they do can you tell me this team will be a Super Bowl contender? I don't because the dline will be staffed with dinosaurs and has beens and you have no idea if DWare will be healthy all year. If he isn't healthy-no playoffs for the Cowboys that I can assure you if there is no one else besides Spencer who can provide pressure.

OK then do you think New Orleans had a good OL when it won the super Bowl?

Do you think the Cowboys had a good OL when it last won?

See it works both ways.

As for Romo he’s good enough if he has a good enough supporting cast.

You think Trent Dillfer was a franchise QB?

[SkinsandTerps]

No prediction of what position they will draft 1-4 ?

I say defensive front 7 and secondary are at least 3 of those picks if not OL.

[Deep_Freeze]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

Paul Pasqualoni generated 20 turnovers (this year in 16 games we generated 21) in the last 8 games of the 2010 season with Gerald and Alan Ball at safety.

So if safety is of such vital importance to generating turnovers tell me how he managed that?

And in case you’ve missed it we don’t pick in the top 10 this year.

We’re picking 18th and I think you’ll find other teams would disagree with your impression that an interior OL isn’t worth the pick.

You have made that point about PP before, funny thing is you pick a certain time period of games to prove your point. I have to ask, what did they do in the other 8 games, cause a good 8 games will still make you end up out the playoffs like we have done the last 2 years.

And yes, there are teams that disagree of course, problem is they are usually losing teams.

[burmafrd]

same usual suspects yelling that the O line does not matter.

nothing new here.

[Reverend Conehead]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

...Big Ben, Eli and Rodgers had no better olines and they were able to in years they won the Super Bowl. ...

??????????????????????????? Did you watch the same season I did? Did you see the constant false starts by our o-line, especially in the first 8 or 9 games? Every one of those teams clearly had better o-lines in their Super Bowl years than we had this season.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

No prediction of what position they will draft 1-4 ?

I say defensive front 7 and secondary are at least 3 of those picks if not OL.

I have no problem drafting a position in the front seven, but too many resources he been spent in the secondary.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Deep_Freeze

You have made that point about PP before, funny thing is you pick a certain time period of games to prove your point. I have to ask, what did they do in the other 8 games, cause a good 8 games will still make you end up out the playoffs like we have done the last 2 years.

And yes, there are teams that disagree of course, problem is they are usually losing teams.

In other words you don't have an explanation how he did it!!!!

Yep! The Steelers and 49ers are loosing teams and the Cowboys are winners.

Keep trying.