Here is how a team is built

[Zordon]

Originally Posted by perrykemp

John Dorsey, Thompson's director of pro personnel is likely going be announced at the Chief's next GM.

Last season, Reggie McKenzie left Thompson's staff to become the GM of the Raiders.

The one that a whole bunch of teams have a strong interest in is Elliot Wolf, Ron Wolf's son who is the ultimate NFL wonderkid GM in waiting. Read his BIO when you get a chance -- he has been writing scouting reports for NFL teams since age 14.

All of these guys -- Thompson, Dorsey, McKenzie, are direct Ron Wolf disciples as well as obviously Ron Jr. (Elliot).

Packers have been trying to shield Elliot Wolf from the league -- the thought is that Ted Thompson is retiring in 2-3 years and Wolf has possibly been promised 1st crack at replacing him.

I say GO GET HIM JERRY!

wow thanks for this info. i'll read up on elliot...i would not picking off the packers tree or the patriots tree for advisors. this franchise needs more direction.

[DOUBLE WING]

What Pete Carroll is doing in Seattle is one of the best rebuilding jobs I've ever seen. That team was garbage when he got there.

He was always a good coach, but in Seattle he's got to do what Jimmy did here, which is using his knowledge of college players coming out of the draft to stock his team.

I'm really, really impressed with what they have done.

[Picksix]

Originally Posted by FLcowboy

Cowboys have been 8-8, 8-8, 6-10, and 11-5 the last 4 years. The following quote on wikipedia says it all about how good Dallas drafts:

[View Full Quote]The 2009 NFL draft was one of the worst in the history of the Dallas Cowboys, with a lot of experts comparing it unfavorably to the 1995 "backup draft". This draft is infamously known as the "special teams draft", but it was so terrible, that as the years have passed it has garnered different nicknames. Entering the season the team considered their special teams a glaring weakness, so they hired a new coach (Joe DeCamillis) and focused on drafting players who could contribute immediately on this unit. The Cowboys started the day without a first round draft choice (part of the price to acquire Roy Williams) and then traded out of the second round to obtain more picks, reaching a total of 12, which was the most selections since their 1992 NFL draft. The eventual result was that the team couldn't find a starter in the group and most of the players drafted were waived by the 2010 season.

Say what you want, but Jerry has stunk the place up the last four years.

What stinks is taking one bad draft and using to make a broad generalization about how the quality of players the Cowboys have brought in. The last 3 off seasons have produced Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Sean Lissemore, Morris Claiborne, Tyrone Crawford, Dwayne Harris, Tyron Smith, James Hanna, Demarco Murray, Bruce Carter, Barry Church, Cole Beasley, Brandon Carr, Alex Albright, Dan Bailey, Kyle Orton, etc.

Have we hit on every move? No. But guess what? Nobody else has either.

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by Picksix

What stinks is taking one bad draft and using to make a broad generalization about how the quality of players the Cowboys have brought in. The last 3 off seasons have produced Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Sean Lissemore, Morris Claiborne, Tyrone Crawford, Dwayne Harris, Tyron Smith, James Hanna, Demarco Murray, Bruce Carter, Barry Church, Cole Beasley, Brandon Carr, Alex Albright, Dan Bailey, Kyle Orton, etc.

Have we hit on every move? No. But guess what? Nobody else has either.

A lot of those guys are just names with no real tangible results yet. I'm not convinced that group can get a team to the playoffs, much less make a dent when they actually get there.

[mmillman]

Originally Posted by Picksix

What stinks is taking one bad draft and using to make a broad generalization about how the quality of players the Cowboys have brought in. The last 3 off seasons have produced Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Sean Lissemore, Morris Claiborne, Tyrone Crawford, Dwayne Harris, Tyron Smith, James Hanna, Demarco Murray, Bruce Carter, Barry Church, Cole Beasley, Brandon Carr, Alex Albright, Dan Bailey, Kyle Orton, etc.

Have we hit on every move? No. But guess what? Nobody else has either.

the team was 8-8 and how many pro bowls has that group made homer?

[mmillman]

"What stinks is taking one bad draft "

one bad draft? Cowboys haven't had one good draft in many years. 2008 and 2009 were beyond pathetic. The rest are around average to a little above or a little below. Not a coincidence that leads to an 8-8 team. You didn't mention anything about the pathetic results in free agency, trades or managing the cap?

[ConstantReboot]

Originally Posted by Switz

If they win the superbowl Ill agree. Until then they are the 6th seed with no home games. Only time will tell how this group will do. We will see

Throw in Carroll as coach. There you have a well built team.

As for they have to win the Superbowl, well they made the playoff did they? We didn't. Our playoff record is putrid to say the least. Therefore, I have to agree with the OP on this one.

[DenCWBY]

Originally Posted by Picksix

What stinks is taking one bad draft and using to make a broad generalization about how the quality of players the Cowboys have brought in. The last 3 off seasons have produced Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, Sean Lissemore, Morris Claiborne, Tyrone Crawford, Dwayne Harris, Tyron Smith, James Hanna, Demarco Murray, Bruce Carter, Barry Church, Cole Beasley, Brandon Carr, Alex Albright, Dan Bailey, Kyle Orton, etc.

Have we hit on every move? No. But guess what? Nobody else has either.

5 of these players have actually proven themselves. You can pick a lot of good talent or potentially good talent but it's how you put them in position to make plays on the field is the whole other feat that so far has not been accomplished.

[morasp]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

What Pete Carroll is doing in Seattle is one of the best rebuilding jobs I've ever seen. That team was garbage when he got there.

He was always a good coach, but in Seattle he's got to do what Jimmy did here, which is using his knowledge of college players coming out of the draft to stock his team.

I'm really, really impressed with what they have done.

It is a really good rebuilding job but has a ways to go to match what Jimmy Johnson did. In fact I was thinking last night when they mentioned the hundreds of moves they made in one year that it was a lot like when Jimmy Johnson came here.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by jterrell

we've continued that with guys like scandrick, lissemore and brent.

missing on players in rounds 1 and 2 is what kills you. bp had far too many misses there when he overruled his own scouts.

we got ware but only because jerry intervened. bp was going to take the very mediocre marcus spears up there that high....

he graded julius jones at the same level as stephen jackson.

bp brought in good scouting personnel but he sucked as a main draft resource.

our drafts have been good minus the terrible rw11 apocalypse where it seems we didnt bother to scout but rather threw darts on draft day.
As regards RBs, most did not have Steven Jackson that much higher then Kevin Jones or Julius.
we've also brought in better street free agents than any team in football the past couple seasons: laurent, ernie sims et al.

[View Full Quote]bp missing with his ol selections is what has us hurting along the ol right now.

If you bother to go back and check a lot of the scouting publications you will find that a lot of those picks make sense. It is only in hindsight they are bad.

Carpenter was considered the logical pick at the time. Rogers is the only one BP insisted on that our scouts did not like, as regards first or second round.

Steven jackson was not widely considered to be a super back; Kevin Jones and Julius were considered by many to be about as good.