Would you trade Romo for the #1 pick?

[bonesbr549]

Originally Posted by cowboysooner

I heard this question from Bill Barnwell Grantland's lead football writer. He thinks the Chiefs should do this, but should the Cowboys?

I can see the rationale on the Cowboys' side. Clear out the aging but good or great players for draft picks and future cap room (Romo, Ware perhaps Spencer or Miles). Get rid of the bad contracts (Free, Ratliff) play a year with Orton. Find a young qb.

Retool around Dez, Lee, Smith, Carter Murray, Claiborne, Carr.

No way in hell they want Romo for a number 1. Would you give up a 1 for him. Maybe a 3rd or 4th.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by bonesbr549

No way in hell they want Romo for a number 1. Would you give up a 1 for him. Maybe a 3rd or 4th.

Yes, he would give up a #1 for a failed QB.

[DFWJC]

Originally Posted by Romo 2 Austin

I always figured Tony Romo, 2012 1st-6th, 2013 1st and 2nd would've done it. That looks like a steal now.

Certainly would have worked if they wanted Romo.
Obviously, Dallas would have never given up Romo, all of the the 2012 draft, and the prizes of the next year's draft too. Way too rich....in their eyes anyway.

Seeing that Indy didn't have to give up anything to keep that pick, it's hard to measure right away how they would have done long term.

The better measures will be Washington and St Louis. The Skins gave up the farm and got a franchise player. We'll see how it works for them not having all those picks going forward. It sure helped that they drafted so well with what they had this year.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

Actually, we had the LEAD in the Washington game before Romo started having his meltdown. It had nothing to do with the oline, running game, or the defense.

Don't really agree with this but it doesn't matter. In a single game, long term conclusions can not be drawn. I maintain that if Romo is in a balanced offense with time to throw and a good defense to play with, he is a top 5 QB in the NFL.

That's my opinion of Romo.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by cowboysooner

I think in 2011 Romo would have been the 2nd best qb in the craptastic AFC. In 2012 he would have been 3rd. The pro bowl qb this year is Matt Shaub who is no great shakes. I think Romo would give them a top 5 AFC quarterback behind Brady and Manning and with- soon to be behind Big Ben and Luck. He is a better player than Shaub and Flacco.


KC has a better line than Dallas. They have better/more explosive back. They don't have a great receivers, but Cassel is so, so bad. If they had league average qb play, they would have been a better than average team.

Romo would have had little success in KC this season with the team they have. Cassel and Quinn combined for 27 turnovers and 40 sacks. Romo had 22 turnovers and was sacked 36 times on a team far more talented. A turnover prone gunslinger isn't a good fit for a team like KC they need a steady QB who can play mistake free football. KC's problems aren't just QB related they have issues that go deeper. Romo turns the ball over a lot and with KC's lack of talent at receiver that would lead to sacks and forced throws into coverage.

KC does run the ball well but they need a QB who can take on a big load and not fold under it. Funny how some FANS say all Romo needs is a better team around him to win a ring and now you have FANS saying he could be successful in KC and one even went so far as to claim he could possibly lead them to a championship. One minute FANS say Romo needs a better team around him and the next minute they say he could take a crap team like KC and turn them into a winner. If he can't win with the Cowboys he sure as hell isn't going to win in KC.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by KJJ

Romo would have had little success in KC this season with the team they have. Cassel and Quinn combined for 27 turnovers and 40 sacks. Romo had 22 turnovers and was sacked 36 times on a team far more talented. A turnover prone gunslinger isn't a good fit for a team like KC they need a steady QB who can play mistake free football. KC's problems aren't just QB related they have issues that go deeper. Romo turns the ball over a lot and with KC's lack of talent at receiver that would lead to sacks and forced throws into coverage.

[View Full Quote]KC does run the ball well but they need a QB who can take on a big load and not fold under it. Funny how some FANS say all Romo needs is a better team around him to win a ring and now you have FANS saying he could be successful in KC and one even claimed he could possibly lead them to a championship. One minute FANS say Romo needs a better team around him and the next minute they say he could take a crap team like KC and turn them into a winner. If he can't win with the Cowboys he sure as hell isn't going to win in KC.

If he was in KC the end results would have probably been nearly identical to here. He would have put up gaudy numbers and been one of the highest rated passers in the league, and they would have allowed one of the worst passer ratings in the NFL - just like happened here.

The only caveat(s) would be that getting that kind of performance from your QB should make your defense better, but that's just hypothetical. In addition I think SD would have been an easier mark than NYG. OAK/PHI is a wash. Maybe with a Charles-led running game he forces less passes. Again, hypothetical.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by superpunk

If he was in KC the end results would have probably been nearly identical to here. He would have put up gaudy numbers and been one of the highest rated passers in the league, and they would have allowed one of the worst passer ratings in the NFL - just like happened here.

The only caveat(s) would be that getting that kind of performance from your QB should make your defense better, but that's just hypothetical. In addition I think SD would have been an easier mark than NYG. OAK/PHI is a wash. Maybe with a Charles-led running game he forces less passes. Again, hypothetical.

I don't know about that. KC's OL is much better then ours. Also, Reid is a better coach then Garrett is at this point in time. JMO of course.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I don't know about that. KC's OL is much better then ours. Also, Reid is a better coach then Garrett is at this point in time. JMO of course.

We're talking about this season.

KC was one of the few teams that allowed a worse passer rating than we did, and only slightly. They got outstanding production from their run game, we got outstanding QB play. Since QB play corresponds more to winning in the NFL, we went 8-8 (which is about as good as you can expect, given the poor performance of our pass defense), they have the first pick in the draft.

If anyone is wondering about the difference Romo makes, there it is. If not for him, we are probably the Chiefs.

[big dog cowboy]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I maintain that if Romo is in a balanced offense with time to throw and a good defense to play with, he is a top 5 QB in the NFL.

Sometimes you are spot on.

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

KC's OL is much better then ours.

Other times.........

[ghst187]

Originally Posted by TheSport78

Not in this draft. In 2014, yes.

or would have this past draft to take Luck. In fact, I'd have given up Romo and all of the rest of our 2012 draft picks for Luck.
This year I'm not sure there are any franchise QBs to draft and certainly none worth the overall #1 so would say definitely no for 2013.
In 2014, I would suspect Manziel will be available.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

No I don't. KC has a lot of talent on both sides of the ball and say what you will about Reid, he can coach offense.

They have good young talent on the OL. They have Hillis and Charles at RB. They have Bowe, Breaston, McCluster and Baldwin at WR. They are at the bottom of the league in passing but they are top 5 in rushing.

Defensively, they have Shawn Smith, Dontari Poe, on the DL. They have Houston and Hali at OLB and Derrick Johnson at ILB. They have Flowers and Arenas at CB and Berry at Safety. They are young and loaded on defense. They are the number 8 scoring defense in the league last year.

Yeah, I could see how they could be contending in a year or two easily.

I don't see KC as a very talented team hard to go 2-14 with a talented team. They were 10-6 in 2010. They were 7-9 in 2011 and now they're 2-14 it's been a steady decline. They traded Jared Allen to Minn a few years ago for a #1 and a #3 and got worse because of it but it made the Vikings better. They traded Tony Gonzalez to Atlanta for a #2 a few years ago and got worse because of it but it made the Falcons better. Good players don't want to be part of that organization.

As for their receiving corp it's average and they may let their best receiver Dwayne Bowe walk. I don't see KC contending anytime soon. Sure Romo would be an upgrade at QB for them but he's got his own set of drawbacks that would keep them from becoming any better than the Cowboys have under him.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by superpunk

We're talking about this season.

KC was one of the few teams that allowed a worse passer rating than we did, and only slightly. They got outstanding production from their run game, we got outstanding QB play. Since QB play corresponds more to winning in the NFL, we went 8-8 (which is about as good as you can expect, given the poor performance of our pass defense), they have the first pick in the draft.

If anyone is wondering about the difference Romo makes, there it is. If not for him, we are probably the Chiefs.

No, your talking about this season. I'm talking about what Romo could accomplish in KC if here were traded. Obviously that would mean future season.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by superpunk

If he was in KC the end results would have probably been nearly identical to here. He would have put up gaudy numbers and been one of the highest rated passers in the league, and they would have allowed one of the worst passer ratings in the NFL - just like happened here.

The only caveat(s) would be that getting that kind of performance from your QB should make your defense better, but that's just hypothetical. In addition I think SD would have been an easier mark than NYG. OAK/PHI is a wash. Maybe with a Charles-led running game he forces less passes. Again, hypothetical.

KC doesn't have the receivers for Romo to put up the numbers he did with the Cowboys this season. They don't have a Jason Witten as a security blanket for him. They have an average receiving corp which would have resulted in Romo having to hang on to the ball and being sacked more than the 36 times he was in Dallas. It would have resulted in more than the 22 turnovers he had. KC runs the ball well so that would have kept Romo's numbers down as well. Romo has to be managed.

[Section444]

Originally Posted by cowboysooner

I heard this question from Bill Barnwell Grantland's lead football writer. He thinks the Chiefs should do this, but should the Cowboys?

I can see the rationale on the Cowboys' side. Clear out the aging but good or great players for draft picks and future cap room (Romo, Ware perhaps Spencer or Miles). Get rid of the bad contracts (Free, Ratliff) play a year with Orton. Find a young qb.

Retool around Dez, Lee, Smith, Carter Murray, Claiborne, Carr.

I'd trade him for any first or second round pick.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

No, your talking about this season. I'm talking about what Romo could accomplish in KC if here were traded. Obviously that would mean future season.

Yes I know. You are the only one talking about that. I was responding to KJJ. *We* were talking about this season, not how Romo would do in KC with Reid next year.