Is Average in Big D the 'new normal'

[Clove]

Originally Posted by Idgit

There's a third option, you know: being unsatisfied with 8-8, and still *not* complaining about it a week after the season ended.

There's a world of things to talk about above and beyond how disappointed you are. And not all of them need to start with "Jerry's a moron, and Jason's an idiot."

Here's an option. If you don't like what he has to say, you can just not subscribe to the thread and go hang out in the newszone somewhere.

[TwoDeep3]

Everything positive and negative is predicated on what the management does.

There is a rumor they will cut Free. They have suggested that Parnell will be the man at right tackle.

Now it is early, and the results are not in. However, if this is the case, and Parnell is the answer, then it brings up a couple of questions.

1. If he is the answer, why did Free play so long? (Garrett)

2. If he turns out not to be the answer, will there be a suitable alternative? (Jones and Garrett)

3. If the line play ends up as it was this year, what does that ultimately say about who is pulling the strings? (Jones and Garrett)

Now it will be a while before this rumor is made fact, and the results are in. But this is a prime example of why fans are frustrated with the team and speak out.

Because the same people that built the mess we fielded this season - and 8-8 was not a success - are the very same people who will again for the fifteenth straight season try to pull the car out of the mud.

So while we can talk about Lee, and if he is healthy will he be one of the best in the game. And how combined with Bruce the linebackers look very promising.

How is ware and his shoulder?

Aren't you excited about Clai and what he will bring to the table.

What happens to Jenkins?

The bottom line is this is a team sport, and the results each year are the point. And anyone who suggests people are spoiled because they watched the success years ago is a head scratcher for me.

Because I am not a fan of this team to watch mediocrity. I am a fan because it is my home town team, one that had a rich history of success, and is now in a slump that has gone on for too long.

And no, I will not change teams, nor will I stop expressing my opinion on this team and the people who make the decisions that end up being less than acceptable.

[TheXFactor]

Originally Posted by Clove

Here's an option. If you don't like what he has to say, you can just not subscribe to the thread and go hang out in the newszone somewhere.

Exactly. I don't understand how people can call being extremely frustrated with our annually mediocre team "whining". Venting frustration is not whining, especially with a team that poops the bed in huge games like this team does.

[DWAREZ]

The essential point is until this team starts winning on a consistent basis again and is competing for SB titles, then overall our fan base simply will not and should not be satisfied.

The Cowboy's are America's team regardless of the tarnish that the intermittent mediocrity has caused since the sweet Glory days.

Some of us were around for the Glory years (so glad I was fortunate enough to witness these championships) and it is precisely this rich winning tradition that should inform and raise the standard for subsequent incarnations of the team.

The main problematic and for a myriad of reasons, this team has been in a state of flux for well over a decade and simply has not been able to produce a true championship caliber team that could actually compete and win SB titles.

Until this problematic is substantively rectified in concrete terms, that is to say, until this team is competitive enough to not only go to the tournament but to actually be capable of winning it, then we should not be satisfied as fans!

[visionary]

Originally Posted by Clove

Here's an option. If you don't like what he has to say, you can just not subscribe to the thread and go hang out in the newszone somewhere.

When you are a blind homer and have the "look at me I am a better fan than you are" syndrome, you cant help but pump some sunshine to try and distract

[Redball Express]

Originally Posted by panther1012

For the last few years I have often wondered how and why the Cowboy organization has seemed to just accept average performance. We have not made the playoffs in three years, or record since the late 90's is about .500 and we have a fan base that has resorted to defense of one guy or the other on these boards. What happened to this organization over the years? Folks, we have seen the 49's, Redskins and other teams rebound from below .500 records to make it back to the tournament. In other words, these teams have completed the rebuilding process and we , during this same period, seem to be stuck in neutral. I don't know about you but I'm not happy with this team since the 90's. I have sometimes hoped for a complete collapse of a season because it may be the only thing that humbles Jerry to his senses about moving to the backstage and getting a FULL-TIME GM in here.


[View Full Quote]As for Romo, it is now clear to any honest observer that he really struggles with big time moments and his decisions are really very similar to his idol, Bret Favre; who was a big time gambler and risk taker. However, Romo has not had the luck of Mr. Favre. In big moments, I'm always wondering when Romo is going to blow it. I have that feeling because of what he has done over the years. I don't want to and can't defend the reality of the situation with our QB; his history and reputation is of his own making. Only he can change it but until he does he will be judged as a guy who is an above average QB but struggles under pressure and if pressured will sometime take that risky bet that us fans have become all too familiar with.

I mean come on guys; we have not won anything since the mid 90's. If I was Jerry Jones, I would be frustrated too. I tell you one thing, Red will not survive another non-playoff appearance next year with his job intact. I love this team but I'm just tired over losing and not getting close to 'the show' anymore. Man, those 90's were an Awesome time; I should have enjoyed them more

That once Jones announced the new stadium as in the works..that really took his mind off of what needed to be done with the team.

He brought in Parcells and he brought in "his guys" and things went on cruse control for awhile and we saw improvement on the field, but it didn't last.

When we put in Romo, even Parcells said something to the effect when he left about Tony Romo being a potential coach killer if he didn't upgrade his playability.

Seems he was spot-on.

RedBalLL ExPreSS

[EPL0c0]

Originally Posted by panther1012

For the last few years I have often wondered how and why the Cowboy organization has seemed to just accept average performance. We have not made the playoffs in three years, or record since the late 90's is about .500 and we have a fan base that has resorted to defense of one guy or the other on these boards. What happened to this organization over the years? Folks, we have seen the 49's, Redskins and other teams rebound from below .500 records to make it back to the tournament. In other words, these teams have completed the rebuilding process and we , during this same period, seem to be stuck in neutral. I don't know about you but I'm not happy with this team since the 90's. I have sometimes hoped for a complete collapse of a season because it may be the only thing that humbles Jerry to his senses about moving to the backstage and getting a FULL-TIME GM in here.


[View Full Quote]As for Romo, it is now clear to any honest observer that he really struggles with big time moments and his decisions are really very similar to his idol, Bret Favre; who was a big time gambler and risk taker. However, Romo has not had the luck of Mr. Favre. In big moments, I'm always wondering when Romo is going to blow it. I have that feeling because of what he has done over the years. I don't want to and can't defend the reality of the situation with our QB; his history and reputation is of his own making. Only he can change it but until he does he will be judged as a guy who is an above average QB but struggles under pressure and if pressured will sometime take that risky bet that us fans have become all too familiar with.

I mean come on guys; we have not won anything since the mid 90's. If I was Jerry Jones, I would be frustrated too. I tell you one thing, Red will not survive another non-playoff appearance next year with his job intact. I love this team but I'm just tired over losing and not getting close to 'the show' anymore. Man, those 90's were an Awesome time; I should have enjoyed them more

as long as Jerry continues to try to rebuild/remake/clone the early-1990's Cowboys team every year, average will be a blessing.

[Beast_from_East]

Originally Posted by panther1012

For the last few years I have often wondered how and why the Cowboy organization has seemed to just accept average performance. We have not made the playoffs in three years, or record since the late 90's is about .500 and we have a fan base that has resorted to defense of one guy or the other on these boards. What happened to this organization over the years? Folks, we have seen the 49's, Redskins and other teams rebound from below .500 records to make it back to the tournament. In other words, these teams have completed the rebuilding process and we , during this same period, seem to be stuck in neutral. I don't know about you but I'm not happy with this team since the 90's. I have sometimes hoped for a complete collapse of a season because it may be the only thing that humbles Jerry to his senses about moving to the backstage and getting a FULL-TIME GM in here.


[View Full Quote]As for Romo, it is now clear to any honest observer that he really struggles with big time moments and his decisions are really very similar to his idol, Bret Favre; who was a big time gambler and risk taker. However, Romo has not had the luck of Mr. Favre. In big moments, I'm always wondering when Romo is going to blow it. I have that feeling because of what he has done over the years. I don't want to and can't defend the reality of the situation with our QB; his history and reputation is of his own making. Only he can change it but until he does he will be judged as a guy who is an above average QB but struggles under pressure and if pressured will sometime take that risky bet that us fans have become all too familiar with.

I mean come on guys; we have not won anything since the mid 90's. If I was Jerry Jones, I would be frustrated too. I tell you one thing, Red will not survive another non-playoff appearance next year with his job intact. I love this team but I'm just tired over losing and not getting close to 'the show' anymore. Man, those 90's were an Awesome time; I should have enjoyed them more

I feel you bro, but hang in there. All it should take is one more season of no playoffs and Opie will be shown the door. At that time it is my hope that Jerry will finally decide to hire a legit HC with a proven track record of success.


The Garrett experiment is almost over, so dont give up just yet.

[Woods]

Originally Posted by LatinMind

Just cause some of us dont gripe about the whole organization doesnt mean we are accepting mediocrity. Some of us just have a life and dont get consumed in the team to the point where we have to complain on every thread with every post with the same thing over and over and over.

I became a fan in the 80s and ill say this, this team is nowhere near the shape it was in before Jerry bought the team.

That being said i can be critical of this team but i can also use my common sense in basically understand that this yr was strange. And thats putting it lightly. I can say without a doubt in my mind that this team has changed. The attitude has changed now they just need to have to players that were injured come back in 2013 and make a couple moves and they'll be right back in the thick of it. And in todays NFL thats all you need to have a chance to win it all.

I agree with you.

But we definitely are going to have to make a couple of personnel moves to get over the hump. IMO, we don't have the talent we need on the OL and DL.

If healthy, we're fine at QB, WR, RB, TE, LB, CB, and possibly even at Safety with Church (though I would draft another Safety regardless).

I do like the fight the team has, and I think we are adding some quality draft picks over the past two years.

But there is no way we can go out next season with that same OL and DL and think we're going to be a top tier team.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Clove

Here's an option. If you don't like what he has to say, you can just not subscribe to the thread and go hang out in the newszone somewhere.

Well, this was rude. You might consider that I was actually participating in this thread and offering an option that many of us might consider valid. It wouldn't be the first time that a thread premise presented a false dichotomy.

[M'Kevon]

Originally Posted by Seven

Really? We're still waiting. You hit it out of the ball park and don't even realize it. Thanks.

Yeah, because Parcells was anybody.

Yeah, because Wade was anybody.

Whining just to prove you can whine. Good luck with that in life.

[HowAboutThemCowboys]

Originally Posted by Idgit

There's a third option, you know: being unsatisfied with 8-8, and still *not* complaining about it a week after the season ended.

There's a world of things to talk about above and beyond how disappointed you are. And not all of them need to start with "Jerry's a moron, and Jason's an idiot."

I am confused. What are we suppose to talk about on a Dallas Cowboys Forum after yet another major disappointment of a season?

By making this statement, you are playing right into JJ's hand. The sooner you forget about another worthless Cowboys season, the sooner you can start filling JJ's pockets with more $$.

[mahoneybill]

Originally Posted by Gameover

You could make the case that average has been the norm in Big D since 1985.

Take away 91-96, what do you have since 1984?

Excellent point....

We are always thinking we are 1 - 2 years away.....

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by Gameover

You could make the case that average has been the norm in Big D since 1985.

Take away 91-96, what do you have since 1984?

I prefer to take a different approach to those dates.

1985 was the end of the 20 straight winning seasons. BUT the late 80s/early 90s still had a fandom that EXPECTED EXCELLENCE! That is why Landry was axed and why Jerry was so gung-ho coming in.

So I look at the Cowboys history in one solid block of 30 years (65-95) where Excellence and winning were the norm...with the exception of 7 years. Not a bad percentage...thus America's Team

I look at the Block of 1996 to Present as the EXPECTING MEDIOCRITY where people started to say...."we are almost there." It's depressing how low people's expectations are now. It's like the "Fake Jerry" said on the Ticket...he sold his soul to satan for the first Super Bowl trophies and now is selling a luxury suite and some Papa Johns for 9-7 record and Wild Card game.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Originally Posted by panther1012

For the last few years I have often wondered how and why the Cowboy organization has seemed to just accept average performance. We have not made the playoffs in three years, or record since the late 90's is about .500 and we have a fan base that has resorted to defense of one guy or the other on these boards. What happened to this organization over the years? Folks, we have seen the 49's, Redskins and other teams rebound from below .500 records to make it back to the tournament. In other words, these teams have completed the rebuilding process and we , during this same period, seem to be stuck in neutral. I don't know about you but I'm not happy with this team since the 90's. I have sometimes hoped for a complete collapse of a season because it may be the only thing that humbles Jerry to his senses about moving to the backstage and getting a FULL-TIME GM in here.


[View Full Quote]As for Romo, it is now clear to any honest observer that he really struggles with big time moments and his decisions are really very similar to his idol, Bret Favre; who was a big time gambler and risk taker. However, Romo has not had the luck of Mr. Favre. In big moments, I'm always wondering when Romo is going to blow it. I have that feeling because of what he has done over the years. I don't want to and can't defend the reality of the situation with our QB; his history and reputation is of his own making. Only he can change it but until he does he will be judged as a guy who is an above average QB but struggles under pressure and if pressured will sometime take that risky bet that us fans have become all too familiar with.

I mean come on guys; we have not won anything since the mid 90's. If I was Jerry Jones, I would be frustrated too. I tell you one thing, Red will not survive another non-playoff appearance next year with his job intact. I love this team but I'm just tired over losing and not getting close to 'the show' anymore. Man, those 90's were an Awesome time; I should have enjoyed them more

96 was a disappointing year. We got eliminated by the Panthers. That was a roller coaster season. And I was so accustomed to winning, it was a terrible feeling. I can also say that this season was quite heartbreaking season. We could smell the playoffs, but we never got to take a bite.