We Saw Today What a Good OL Can Do For a QB and Team

[Mansta54]

Originally Posted by Clove

So where was that offensive line when BOTH QBs were under heavy pressure last night?

I guess you have to learn to play under pressure sometimes, what a concept.

Sometimes, yes, but not all the time like Romo does. He's constantly escaping and making trick moves to get the pass off. Yea I know, I'm sure you don't see that cause you don't want to see it. Smh!!

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Unreal...good olines my backside.

There is nothing great about either offensive line,

they've had the good fortune of both being pretty healthy all year as well.

So a 6th rounder sets a franchise rushing record but the OL isnt that good?

Lynch had the year he had behind a bad OL?

Dont both teams have Pro Bowlers on their OL's?

Whats unreal is to create a fantasy in your mind that the OL's for these teams arent very good. They certainly were very effective.

I might as well be having a "discussion" with my wife about the OL's.

[Trajan]

Originally Posted by Mansta54

Sometimes, yes, but not all the time like Romo does. He's constantly escaping and making trick moves to get the pass off. Yea I know, I'm sure you don't see that cause you don't want to see it. Smh!!

Exactly, there is a difference between some pressure and getting killed as often as Romo. Give the guy some O-line help.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

So a 6th rounder sets a franchise rushing record but the OL isnt that good?

Lynch had the year he had behind a bad OL?

Dont both teams have Pro Bowlers on their OL's?

Whats unreal is to create a fantasy in your mind that the OL's for these teams arent very good. They certainly were very effective.

I might as well be having a "discussion" with my wife about the OL's.

You're a funny guy.

Well guess what-know the ONE game the Skins played without RGIII, the great Alfred Morris ran for 3.2 yds per carry.

They stink. Lucky they have such a dynamic QB or Morris would be nothing more than a bigger Phillip Tanner.

Seahawks again are fortunate that they also have the benefit of an exciting QB, but more importantly a great defense. They stay in a lot of games and Lynch wears teams down.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

You're a funny guy.

Well guess what-know the ONE game the Skins played without RGIII, the great Alfred Morris ran for 3.2 yds per carry.

They stink. Lucky they have such a dynamic QB or Morris would be nothing more than a bigger Phillip Tanner.

Seahawks again are fortunate that they also have the benefit of an exciting QB, but more importantly a great defense. They stay in a lot of games and Lynch wears teams down.

You're basing the "Skins played without RGIII" argument on a 1 game sample size?

Didnt the other rookie QB win that game "without RGIII" showing that they did just fine w/o RGIII?

Why dont you want to admit that the OL for the Foreskins is the major reason that the Skins had success? They made it easy for RG3. And for Morris. WHy is accepting reality so hard?

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

You're basing the "Skins played without RGIII" argument on a 1 game sample size?

Didnt the other rookie QB win that game "without RGIII" showing that they did just fine w/o RGIII?

Why dont you want to admit that the OL for the Foreskins is the major reason that the Skins had success? They made it easy for RG3. And for Morris. WHy is accepting reality so hard?

because he is one who has from day one refused to believe we need to put more resources into the O line. So its a self fulfilling prophecy he is trying to lay out

[Coy]

Originally Posted by Mansta54

Sometimes, yes, but not all the time like Romo does. He's constantly escaping and making trick moves to get the pass off. Yea I know, I'm sure you don't see that cause you don't want to see it. Smh!!

Romo is a good QB, IMO he needs better coaching and a better team around him, Look at this stats I came across:

Good stat from Babe Laufenberg. Romo with a 100-plus rating: 37-11. Cutler 25-1, Ryan 32-1, Brady 79-5.

Although I do realize he has to play much better in big games.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by WPBCowboysFan

You're basing the "Skins played without RGIII" argument on a 1 game sample size?

Didnt the other rookie QB win that game "without RGIII" showing that they did just fine w/o RGIII?

Why dont you want to admit that the OL for the Foreskins is the major reason that the Skins had success? They made it easy for RG3. And for Morris. WHy is accepting reality so hard?

Well....how good were they last year without RG3? I didn't see any, "what a great OL can do for a QB" threads last year using the Skins as an example?

So how did Cousins do last night?? How did Alfred Morris do once Rg3 left the game?

I will happily admit when I see a good oline, but the Skins aren't one of them. They benefit from scheme and RG3. If he doesn't play, they are among the worst units in football, stop holding them up as some kind of gold standard.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

because he is one who has from day one refused to believe we need to put more resources into the O line. So its a self fulfilling prophecy he is trying to lay out

Yeah ok--guess you're ok with FA's and castoffs on the oline than, because that's exactly what you have with the Deadskins oline.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

There is nothing great about either offensive line, and if you're going to hold them up as gold standards as to how to build an oline you should look at the way they are composed. Plenty of FA's, late picks and waiver claims on both units, they've had the good fortune of both being pretty healthy all year as well.

Let’s take a look at this statement in a little more detail shall we?
Starting line up for both teams last night

Seattle Seahawks

Russell Okung 1sr round SS 6th overall pick
Max Ungar 2nd round pick
Paul McQuistan 3rd round pick
Jr Sweezy 7th round pick
Breno Giacomini 5th round pick

Washington Redskins

Trent Williams 1st round 4th overall pick
Kory Lichtensteiger 4th round pick
Will Montgomery 7th round pick
Chris Chester 2nd round pick
Tyler Ploumbus undrafted

So less late picks and free agents and more draft picks 50% of the ten players taken in the first three rounds.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

Yeah ok--guess you're ok with FA's and castoffs on the oline than, because that's exactly what you have with the Deadskins oline.

See my post above.

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

Let’s take a look at this statement in a little more detail shall we?
Starting line up for both teams last night

Seattle Seahawks

Russell Okung 1sr round SS 6th overall pick
Max Ungar 2nd round pick
Paul McQuistan 3rd round pick
Jr Sweezy 7th round pick
Breno Giacomini 5th round pick

Washington Redskins

Trent Williams 1st round 4th overall pick
Kory Lichtensteiger 4th round pick
Will Montgomery 7th round pick
Chris Chester 2nd round pick
Tyler Ploumbus undrafted

So less late picks and free agents and more draft picks 50% of the ten players taken in the first three rounds.

McQuistan was a waiver pickup-nice try. Fifth team in five years.
Will Mongotmery-waivers...fourth team in four years. Nice try.

How is this group any different than the Cowboys talent wise??? It's not-the biggest difference is the schemes, OC, and most importantly QB.

Glad you come around again only when defending other teams olines.

I can use Aaron Rodgers and the Packers again as an example of what a REAL OC and QB can do for an oline, but I won't.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

McQuistan was a waiver pickup-nice try. Fifth team in five years.
Will Mongotmery-waivers...fourth team in four years. Nice try.

How is this group any different than the Cowboys talent wise??? It's not-the biggest difference is the schemes, OC, and most importantly QB.

He was still a 3rd round pick.

And what about the other 1st and 2nd rounders. They don't count?

Nice try!

[Oh_Canada]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

He was still a 3rd round pick.

And what about the other 1st and 2nd rounders. They don't count?

Nice try!

Ok than.

Cook-2nd rd pick
Nate Livings-FA
Bernardeau-7th
Smith-1st rd
Free-3rd rd.

How many second/third round lineman have the Cowboys picked? Thought you said those shouldn't be considered high picks? Could have sworn you said other teams castaways aren't a way to solve the oline?? Or does it only apply to other teams?

I just find it funny that a team whose oline blew last year and gained Trent Williams but lost Jamaal Brown is suddenly an oline the Cowboys should emulate.

[perrykemp]

Originally Posted by Oh_Canada

I can use Aaron Rodgers and the Packers again as an example of what a REAL OC and QB can do for an oline, but I won't.

I hear you, however, I think the Aaron Rodgers example isn't a great one and I tell you why:

Some day NFL stats geeks will pour of Aaron Rodgers stats with sheer amazement and wonder how the heck the QB with the highest QB rating in the history of the NFL was also the most sacked QB in the league at the same.

Logic would tell you the most sacked QB in the league would have an absolutely terrible QB rating and the teams he was playing on would have sucked.

In otherwords, I'm not sure we've ever seen a QB in the history of the league who has ever done what Rodgers is doing. Lots of the credit goes to McCarthy.

Having said that, to say "well, the Packers offense still performs despite a shoddy OL and no running game so ours should to" is akin in my mind to pointing to a 1 in 1000 statically anomaly and saying "well, look, it IS possible".