Are Carter, Lee, and Murray busts?

[Frozen700]

Did the world end yet?

[PA Cowboy Fan]

When 3 of your best players can't stay healthy, it's a problem.

[IheartRomo]

I'm assuming this is a joke. If so, well done.

[superpunk]

It's dumb to call them busts, and I'm sure OP was just doing that because he wanted attention and possibly pointless posts about tacos, but the larger point is well taken.

These guys, along with Tyron and Mo should be the core of our team for the next decade. And they've shown alot of promise. I feel like if we could get them all on the field together we'd be one of the best teams in the league for the five games they could actually stay healthy. Until that happens all they are is nice players who can't be relied on to stay on the field. Not busts, but certainly not cornerstones of the team like they should be.

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by PA Cowboy Fan

When 3 of your best players can't stay healthy, it's a problem.

They are not busts, but they have not lived up to their billing.

They are great players ... no doubt. But the injury situation with all three of them make it impossible to build the franchise around them.

Taking injured players in the 2nd round is a risk. So far, we've been on the short end of the stick. Injuries happen to anyone, but drafting an injured player so high is far too risky.

[MaineBoy]

The OP may have been better off asking if these 3 players were mistakes...and if they can't get on the field they will be. Drafting talented players that never see the field due to injury issues does not help us and ends up hurting us in the end...ala Murray. When he goes down, as he always has, we lose the running game and a position you think is covered ends up being a weakness. So the OP makes a legitimate point generally. And the taco responses are oh so hilarious. No wonder people don't even bother after a while...lol.

[Doomsay]

Originally Posted by perrykemp

Need to cross fingers on all three of these guys:

Lee: Been injured to one extent or another every season going back to college. Twice has had season ending injuries (once at Penn State and this year)

Carter: Two season ending injuries in the past three seasons

Murray: Season ending injury last season. Missed roughly half of the season this year.

It's easy to say these are freak injuries and that the injuries are not to the same part of the body, etc, etc..... I'd say anybody looking from the outside in would tell you there is a lot of risk associated with all three guys.

Yeah, I don't think that it is unreasonable to factor in durability when analyzing the success of a player/draft pick. Carter Murray and Lee are concerns at this point, but they have not been around long enough to be considered fully injury prone, Miles on the other hand, looks to be chronically lame in his prime.

[DOUBLE WING]

Lee and Carter weren't steals. We got them where we got them because everyone who passed on them was worried about their injuries, which is exactly how the early part of their careers has played out.

There was never any debate about the talent. It was about the injury risk. So far it's not working out. If Lee can't stay healthy next year we need to move on from him.

[Doomsay]

Originally Posted by Eddie

Taking injured players in the 2nd round is a risk. So far, we've been on the short end of the stick. Injuries happen to anyone, but drafting an injured player so high is far too risky.

Not when you are a gambler with a unique management structure that answers to none.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Lee and Carter weren't steals. We got them where we got them because everyone who passed on them was worried about their injuries, which is exactly how the early part of their careers has played out.

There was never any debate about the talent. It was about the injury risk. So far it's not working out. If Lee can't stay healthy next year we need to move on from him.

Yup.

Alot like Lee's college buddy from LBU, Paul Posluszny. Couldn't stay healthy in Buffalo, they had to move on after 4 years. Unfortunately for them, he's played all 16 the past two seasons in Jacksonville and been pretty great for them.

The issue is, because of the cap, you need to get good production from your rookie classes BEFORE they get to their second deal. You need that value and production while they're earning their second deal. We aren't getting that from our classes, and alot of it is because we draft players who are injured or have a history because we feel they are future value picks. By the time we get value it's time to pay them.

[burmafrd]

It is a concern. Murray and Lee especially; Carter not so much.

[CowboysYanksLakers]

Injury prone players aren't typically good to keep around long-term however when they play as well as Carter and Lee you have to take a chance and believe it will work out...

Murray on the other hand is starting to become an annoyance to me.

[dexternjack]

Lets see how next season plays out before we judge them. If all three get injured again and miss games, then I will start becoming concerned.

[perrykemp]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Lee and Carter weren't steals. We got them where we got them because everyone who passed on them was worried about their injuries, which is exactly how the early part of their careers has played out.

There was never any debate about the talent. It was about the injury risk. So far it's not working out. If Lee can't stay healthy next year we need to move on from him.

Great post. Both Lee and Carter were 2nd round picks because of injury histories. Otherwise, both were likely 1st round picks.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

They're much more likely to be "busts" in Canton than the kind of "busts" you're thinking about.