Jerry improving as a GM?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

I figured it was the video where Rob Ryan is being interviewed after a game and thanks Ciskowski for some of the players on defense? I've seen the two-minute version on DC.com

[DOUBLE WING]

Do I need to watch this entire 21 minute video or is there a specific section I should be looking for?

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Do I need to watch this entire 21 minute video or is there a specific section I should be looking for?

Don't bother at all.

[TwoDeep3]

And yet, not one person i have seen on this message board has disputed someone does the research on players. Not one individual that debates this issue ever says it is Jerry alone.

And listening to this guy, he says we a lot, so that means he is supervising people who work under him to discover talent.

yet...

So many people from Switzer to Broaddus, to Brandt to ex-coaches galore have stated emphatically all this goes to Jerry and he makes the final decision on which way they will go.

Jerry says this all the time.

Jerry decided to select Ware. I have been pointed to this by the "it ain't Jerry's fault crew."

Now to hear this guy tell it, prompted by Babe, am I to believe Jerry had no hand in that and it was this guy who discovered and drafted Ware?

So Parcels was arguing with Cisnowski?

Nice video.

Still doesn't change a damn thing if Jerry takes the information and then makes the decision.

Which means that two players are brought to Jerry. One scout says JJ Watt and the other scout says Quincy Carter.

Jerry says, "Just between us girls, we're taking Carter."

Now that is obviously fiction to make a point.

But that is what everyone, including Jerry says.

Jerry makes the FINAL decision in all cases.

And if he does, then no other swinging Richard pulls the trigger or spends the team's money on talent.

Thus, when people blame Jerry, it wasn't for the film he watched. It wasn't for the college games he attended. It wasn't for being persuasive in the war room.

It was because Jerry makes the FINAL decision.

This isn't brain science. Hell it isn't even soap box derby mechanics.

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Don't bother at all.

I'll bother. I didn't realize this was your bombshell. I'm eager to see it and be blown out of the water.

[Royal Laegotti]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Tex Schramm.

Sorry you don't know that.

Personnel decisions fall under the umbrella of Tom Ciskowski. You can try to deny that all you want, but it really just makes you look foolish.

Here you go fellas. Learn what the man does here, because you just don't know and you prove it every time you post. Rob Ryan knows.

Well Steve Dennis summed that up correctly.

Spin it however you like Hos, Jerry makes the picks or he doesn't. Which I believe he does. Whoever's doing it, it ain't translating into team success and that buck stops with Jerry. I do find it funny that you throw out a video that is a prelude to another 8-8 year, kinda ironic in a way!

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

I'll bother. I didn't realize this was your bombshell. I'm eager to see it and be blown out of the water.

It isn't a bombshell. It is a man telling you his job. The job you guys think someone else is supposed to do because of a title. You're wrong, and you've always been wrong. Every single one of you who ***** at me for my opinions. Rob Ryan and Tom Cskowski, two employees of the team know a **** load more than all of you put together. Not that it is hard when you buy the fairy tales of the damned.

[Royal Laegotti]

Originally Posted by Hostile

It isn't a bombshell. It is a man telling you his job. The job you guys think someone else is supposed to do because of a title. You're wrong, and you've always been wrong. Every single one of you who ***** at me for my opinions.

Aww!

Opinions? I thought you were telling us gospel!

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by Hostile

It isn't a bombshell. It is a man telling you his job. The job you guys think someone else is supposed to do because of a title. You're wrong, and you've always been wrong. Every single one of you who ***** at me for my opinions. Rob Ryan and Tom Cskowski, two employees of the team know a **** load more than all of you put together. Not that it is hard when you buy the fairy tales of the damned.

Nothing in that video backs up your statement that personnel decisions "fall under Ciskowski's umbrella". In fact, in that entire interview they describe his job duties as exactly what I've always said - which is that he heads up the scouting department.

He does NOT make personnel decisions. I dont even think the word "decision" was uttered in that interview. Nothing in that video proves he does. Jerry or Jason tell him what they want. He brings them options. Jerry makes the final decision.

Consider me not blown out of the water. I can see by you were hesitant to post the video though.

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

[b]Still doesn't change a damn thing if Jerry takes the information and then makes the decision.

Which means that two players are brought to Jerry. One scout says JJ Watt and the other scout says Quincy Carter.

Jerry says, "Just between us girls, we're taking Carter."

Now that is obviously fiction to make a point.

But that is what everyone, including Jerry says.

Jerry makes the FINAL decision in all cases.

And if he does, then no other swinging Richard pulls the trigger or spends the team's money on talent.

Thus, when people blame Jerry, it wasn't for the film he watched. It wasn't for the college games he attended. It wasn't for being persuasive in the war room.

It was because Jerry makes the FINAL decision.

This isn't brain science. Hell it isn't even soap box derby mechanics.

Gospel. Absolutely spot on.

[TheXFactor]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Nothing in that video backs up your statement that personnel decisions "fall under Ciskowski's umbrella". In fact, in that entire interview they describe his job duties as exactly what I've always said - which is that he heads up the scouting department.

He does NOT make personnel decisions. I dont even think the word "decision" was uttered in that interview. Nothing in that video proves he does. Jerry or Jason tell him what they want. He brings them options. Jerry makes the final decision.

Consider me not blown out of the water. I can see by you were hesitant to post the video though.

I think the truth really does stand somewhere in the middle of these two arguments. Yes Jerry makes the final decision and needs to be held responsible for that, but he is also heavily influenced by his scouting staff which weigh into those final decisions. The blame cannot simply be put on one person, there are several people responsible for these decisions

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by TheXFactor

I think the truth really does stand somewhere in the middle of these two arguments. Yes Jerry makes the final decision and needs to be held responsible for that, but he is also heavily influenced by his scouting staff which weigh into those final decisions. The blame cannot simply be put on one person, there are several people responsible for these decisions

Of course he gets input. It's a common GM/Scouting department relationship. He certainly gets input from various different people. But ultimately those people all report to him. They all put in their two cents and then he makes the decision.

[TheXFactor]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Of course he gets input. It's a common GM/Scouting department relationship. He certainly gets input from various different people. But ultimately those people all report to him. They all put in their two cents and then he makes the decision.

I get what you're saying. I just think that Jerry is in a similar position to a QB, he gets too much credit for good drafts and pickups, and too much blame for the bad ones (although there is plenty of justified blame to go around)

[CowboyMcCoy]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Jerry had little to do with the Secondary improvement.

Fill us in. Or can you reveal your sources?

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

It was because Jerry makes the FINAL decision.

This isn't brain science. Hell it isn't even soap box derby mechanics.

The questions that always scatter the Jerry sheep, the burning questions that are continually ignored, are:

If Jerry is only a GM in title, and it's really others in the organization that make the decisions..

Why did Jeff Ireland leave for a GM job elsewhere?

Why did Ciskowski try to get the Colts GM job last year?

If these men were effectively running the show as Hostile would have you believe, why would they take a lateral position? Why wouldn't Jerry simply relinquish the General Manager tag if it was nothing more than a title?

Don't sit around waiting for answers.