New Jersey boy not allowed back to school without flu shot

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Hopeuhavechange

Yeah but it's bound up in Thimerosal in a form called ethylmercury, less neurotoxic in this formulation than (unavoidable) free mercury found organically in the food chain (methylmercury). Not quite harmless but not something to hyperventilate over. And the autism link has been debunked. All toxins are dose dependent and this one's closely controlled. Really, as fashionable as it is, it just isn't the chief worry with vaccines. I'd fret over something else.

Oh don't get me wrong. I don't think they are as bad as some make them out to be. My ex was a freak about this crap. She made me sit through some BS seminar about how bad they are. I wanted to jam forks into my eyes. I just question some things and they make me a little uneasy. That alone makes me trust my instincts and say nah not right now. Maybe after a real bad flu I'll change my mind when I'm older and my body doesn't fight off sicknesses the same way. I just wouldn't want someone telling me I have to take one so why should someone make a child. I don't even take tylenol for headaches. I don't like putting things in my body. It's worked out for quite some time now. If it aint broke don't fix it.

On another note, my mother is a teacher in NJ and I just asked her about it. The state makes it mandatory for all preschoolers to get flu shots. I was unaware as I don't have children. She doesn't mind that the state does it but has pretty liberal approach to just about everything. Either way, state mandated flu shots for kids seems wrong to me.

[Hopeuhavechange]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Oh don't get me wrong. I don't think they are as bad as some make them out to be. My ex was a freak about this crap. She made me sit through some BS seminar about how bad they are. I wanted to jam forks into my eyes. I just question some things and they make me a little uneasy. That alone makes me trust my instincts and say nah not right now. Maybe after a real bad flu I'll change my mind when I'm older and my body doesn't fight off sicknesses the same way. I just wouldn't want someone telling me I have to take one so why should someone make a child. I don't even take tylenol for headaches. I don't like putting things in my body. It's worked out for quite some time now. If it aint broke don't fix it.

[View Full Quote]On another note, my mother is a teacher in NJ and I just asked her about it. The state makes it mandatory for all preschoolers to get flu shots. I was unaware as I don't have children. She doesn't mind that the state does it but has pretty liberal approach to just about everything. Either way, state mandated flu shots for kids seems wrong to me.

I choose not to take it myself and am firmly against compulsory vaccs. But for subsets the benefits plainly outweigh the risks. You have to make an infrormed choice either for yourself or for those under your care. Lots of noise and erroneous blather out there to sift thru regreattably. Besides that, tho, I won't pretend it's easy or clear-cut at any rt even within the medical community.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Hopeuhavechange

I choose not to take it myself and am firmly against compulsory vaccs. But for subsets the benefits plainly outweigh the risks. You have to make an infrormed choice either for yourself or for those under your care. Lots of noise and erroneous blather out there to sift thru regreattably. Besides that, tho, I won't pretend it's easy or clear-cut at any rt even within the medical community.

I absolutely agree. You communicated that much better than I could.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by Hoov

They are just saying that the kid cant come there unless he has the same flu shot that all the other kids have already had. Why does one kid get special treatment and not have to follow the rules.

The parents are not being forced to do anything, they have other options for the childs schooling.

Are they worried he will give the kids who have the flu shot the flu? Really?

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by a_minimalist

Doesn't the flu shot protect against flus? If every kid has one and one doesn't why does it matter? I thought the other kids can't get it after the shot? If parents don't want their kid to have the flu give them the shot. If other parents will deal with the flu if their kid gets sick let them. Why does it have to be so black and white?

[View Full Quote]I'd much rather let my kid get sick like I did and let his or her body learn to fight back. Sorry but I've had the flu many times. You get better. If you're on welfare and live off of soda and potato chips then maybe you should consider it if its free. If not keep your kid hydrated and gets rest. Making sure he or she is taken care of doesn't seem like some arduous task. I'm sure it's not easy, I don't have children so I don't know. I'm sure on top of work and life it's difficult but not everything is supposed to be easy. Let's not make it sound like the flu is some deadly virus. People have also died from the flu shot. All of this stuff is very new. I'd personally rather not be the guinea pig.

LOL! I just posted that before I saw this. Great minds.

[Illini88228]

Originally Posted by Rackat

Really? What is crazy about that statement? The flu mutates, ie; it doesn't care about vaccines. We can try to slow it down and ameliorate it's effects, but in the end the virus just mutates and moves on. google a history of the flu.

I didn't mean to suggest that your post was crazy, in fact it's one of the most sane in the whole thread. I tend to duck and cover when vaccines come up because there's a lot of irrational nonsense out there. I was just pointing out that the honey badger line was funny.

[Hoofbite]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Are they worried he will give the kids who have the flu shot the flu? Really?

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

LOL! I just posted that before I saw this. Great minds.

Are entirely wrong. Had you read my reply to him then your question above would have ben answered.

[Hopeuhavechange]

influenza IS A deadly pathogen. our healthy immune system mounts cooridinated defenses which typically prevails when strong, but dont minimize it. and as mentioned it mutates/seeks or probes weak cellular entry pts for faulty def mechanisms. it learns or adapts to our responses to our synthetic,weakened clone creations which mimic the pathogen...adaptation in action. War.


wash your hands often, stay healthy, get outside,avoid coughers and large groups where possible,eat well , live in bubble if you must.

[dantheman41]

Flu shots are such a scam. My nephew recently had one and he coincidently got extremely sick right after shot and had to go to hospital. Seriously?! Over the flu? I'd rather have the flu

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Let me put it this way.

You don't have a right to have an input on how we raise our children.

Got it?

But what if your decision puts my son and others at risk? Is that fair to them?

We have had some epidemics of mumps, whooping cough, measles, German Measles etc, all brought on by a certain religious group that lives mostly in the valley to the east of Vancouver and who are against vaccines. Is that fair to the rest of the population?

My son has all his shots, gets a flu shot every year. Helps him but also is good for society in my view.

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

But what if your decision puts my son and others at risk? Is that fair to them?

We have had some epidemics of mumps, whooping cough, measles, German Measles etc, all brought on by a certain religious group that lives mostly in the valley to the east of Vancouver and who are against vaccines. Is that fair to the rest of the population?

My son has all his shots, gets a flu shot every year. Helps him but also is good for society in my view.

Oh, then go to another school. That was the option we were given. Not good enough for you?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Originally Posted by Cajuncowboy

Oh, then go to another school. That was the option we were given. Not good enough for you?

Why should my son switch schools because some other parents decide to put him at risk by not taking normal every day precautions against disease?

[Cajuncowboy]

Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

Why should my son switch schools because some other parents decide to put him at risk by not taking normal every day precautions against disease?

Schools don't have a right to tell parents what to inject their kids with. If you want to give your kid shots for something that's a "you" thing. But don't force it down others throat.

And it's not normal to shoot them up for everything under the sun. If you want to let the government take away all your parental rights and shoot your kid up just to see what happens, then that's up to you.

Earlier in this thread I was told that if I didn't like it I should take my kid out of the school and put them in a private school. Why doesn't that same logic hold true for those who want their kids shot up with drugs just to make the drug companies money?
(By the way we home school. Always have and always will so it doesn't effect us.) Oh and my kids and my wife and I have never had the "flu". we've had a few colds but nothing like the hysteria surrounding this.

[a_minimalist]

Originally Posted by Hoofbite

Are entirely wrong. Had you read my reply to him then your question above would have ben answered.

If it constantly adapts, which I was well aware of, why even take the shot?

[Teren_Kanan]

Meh, I'm not sure on all the facts, but I know it always seems like the people who take flu shots, lots of medicine while sick, and worry about germs are the ones always getting sick. Maybe they do those things BECAUSE they always get sick but /shrug.

I don't worry about germs, I don't get flu shots, and the only medicine I take while sick is Ibuprofen occasionally. I seem to get sick about once a year.. for a day tops. My wife is a teacher and does all the flu shot stuff, also takes a lot of medicine when she's sick. She teaches special needs kids who already get sick all the time due to bad immune systems, so she gets sick very frequently.

I hardly ever catch it from her even though I do absolutely nothing differently around her, I even refuse to let her not kiss me etc. Last time she got really sick, I caught it, and was over it before she was (bug left me in about 36 hours, took her over a week) without taking medication.

Perhaps I'm just lucky, but it really does just seem like those who concern themselves with all that crap get sick far more often than those who don't.