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01-08-2013
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Becoming Romo Friendly
When they released Terrell Owens it was said that we were going to become Romo Friendly. To some degree, I agree with them, although I did not like the move. It allowed Romo to spread the ball around more, but it also made him less effective. What they didn't do was improve the running game or give him a better offensive line. They didn't improve the defense either.
So what do people think is the answer then? Norv Turner?
Norv Turner gets credit in San Diego that he does not deserve. Very similar to Garrett. They both inherited high ranking offenses with elite quarterbacks. Both have also done nothing with them and have let their running games go by the way side.
If we hire Turner its even more evidence that Jerry is incompetent.
What happened to Phillip Rivers? The same thing that is happening to Tony Romo. Without support of a running game the emphasis is placed solely on them. When receivers don't get open, it becomes a fools gambit. When your defense does less than it normally does, you start losing more games. San Diego is the mirror image of Dallas.
You want to help Romo? You're going to have to get him coaching help that will actually help him.
It's not easy to get a good offensive or defensive coordinator. Why? Because generally speaking one of the following will be true
A) Good coordinators are often looked at to become Head Coaches
B) Good coordinators are often already under contract at the coordinator position
So what can you do?
You basically have to look at people who get fired due to their circumstances. Rob Ryan for instance is going to get picked up as a defensive coordinator somewhere, and my guess is he will excel there, much like Wade Phillips.
Many times when coaches are fired, their staffs are let go as well, so that the new coach can bring in his people. This is where you can find a lot of good coaches.
Marty Mornhinweg would be an interesting choice to me.
Rick Dennison but it would probably take HC to get him.
Kevin Gilbride, also would probably need an HC designator.
Curtis Modkins, would be an interesting choice
then you also have to look at college football as well.
The fact is we did NONE of that when we hired Garrett. We just handed this guy the reigns, despite NO experience to speak of.
In the final two months of 2011, Romo’s passer rating was 115.9.
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01-08-2013
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I don't think it's very complicated. Just add NFL caliber talent along the OL. Draft a back to replace Felix, since he figures to move on this year.
Offense fixed and I can't think of anything more Romo friendly.
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We'll settle this with a good dust up.
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01-08-2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Risen Star
I don't think it's very complicated. Just add NFL caliber talent along the OL. Draft a back to replace Felix, since he figures to move on this year.
Offense fixed and I can't think of anything more Romo friendly.
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This.........
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01-08-2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Risen Star
I don't think it's very complicated. Just add NFL caliber talent along the OL. Draft a back to replace Felix, since he figures to move on this year.
Offense fixed and I can't think of anything more Romo friendly.
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It's not just fixing the offense. Romo and the offense can put up points, but if we can't stop anyone... it's fruitless.
I do agree that we need to fix the offensive line. It should have been the priority last year. We're going to need 4 new starters on the offensive line next year. That's simply a fact. Anyone who says otherwise is a shill for the status quo.
I think Felix would be fine if we had a legit offensive line, but that is neither here nor there.
Step 1 - Fix the offensive line
Step 2 - Go 4-3, and thus we would need to alter our front seven personnel to correspond with the shift. I'd be in favor of trading Ware to facilitate the change, or we could move him to defensive end, and focus on getting 3 players to play along with him.
In the final two months of 2011, Romo’s passer rating was 115.9.
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01-08-2013
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Stephen Peterman's Campaign Manager
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Warmack and FA C would do us just fine... that and giving Hanna more opportunities and not not having franchise lows in rushing attempts will help Romo immensely.
Cowboy Underdog for 2007: Patrick Watkins
Prediction: Starts and successfully contributes for 16 games.
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01-08-2013
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Originally Posted by Galian Beast
It's not just fixing the offense. Romo and the offense can put up points, but if we can't stop anyone... it's fruitless.
I do agree that we need to fix the offensive line. It should have been the priority last year. We're going to need 4 new starters on the offensive line next year. That's simply a fact. Anyone who says otherwise is a shill for the status quo.
I think Felix would be fine if we had a legit offensive line, but that is neither here nor there.
Step 1 - Fix the offensive line
Step 2 - Go 4-3, and thus we would need to alter our front seven personnel to correspond with the shift. I'd be in favor of trading Ware to facilitate the change, or we could move him to defensive end, and focus on getting 3 players to play along with him.
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I can't expect to fix it all in one offseason. Certainly not when we're in such outstanding cap shape courtesy of Jerry and Stephen Jones. We won't even be able to fix the OL in one offseason but we can start.
If I'm running the team, I do what I can, if I can, to make enough room to sign one big FA OL. I prefer Levitre. I cross my fingers that I can find value in the first 4 rounds of the draft to add two more and under no circumstances would Tony Romo walk to the line of scrimmage to kickoff the 2013 season with Phil Costa under center. I'd be willing to play Bernadeau there for a year if I had to since there aren't really any decent options at C in free agency.
But you're right. A stingy defense would be Romo friendly too. I just think the OL is a bigger priority. That can actually get the man carted off the field and his career cut short.
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We'll settle this with a good dust up.
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01-08-2013
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Surrealist
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Romo friendly means idiot-free, which means dump Garrett.
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01-08-2013
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Pixel Pusher
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Risen Star
I don't think it's very complicated. Just add NFL caliber talent along the OL. Draft a back to replace Felix, since he figures to move on this year.
Offense fixed and I can't think of anything more Romo friendly.
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No crap. You want to be friendly to Romo? Save him from breaking a bone every year.
We need wins, and that's all we need. I don't give a damn about anyone on this roster over wins. I'd trade Ware, Lee and Dez if it meant more wins.
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01-08-2013
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Felis silvestris catus
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theogt
Romo friendly means idiot-free, which means dump Garrett.
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01-08-2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Risen Star
I don't think it's very complicated. Just add NFL caliber talent along the OL. Draft a back to replace Felix, since he figures to move on this year.
Offense fixed and I can't think of anything more Romo friendly.
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I would add to that the responsibility of a clued in OC to understand the circumstances that causes Romo to press and fail and try and avoid those with a string running game and competent receivers that will go get the ball.
Because Romo is a vicinity passer and not a target passer like Aikman or Rodgers, the plays have to be designed to get max separation or things like interceptions and these verkocteh sailing passes and behindies and such occur.
You've been weighed
You've been measured
And you've been found to be a casual fan
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01-08-2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoDeep3
I would add to that the responsibility of a clued in OC to understand the circumstances that causes Romo to press and fail and try and avoid those with a string running game and competent receivers that will go get the ball.
Because Romo is a vicinity passer and not a target passer like Aikman or Rodgers, the plays have to be designed to get max separation or things like interceptions and these verkocteh sailing passes and behindies and such occur.
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I think an effective running game you can rely on would do wonders for these perceptions of play calling issues. It'd also do wonders for the QB, since he wouldn't feel he has the weight of the team on his shoulders.
I try to imagine the great Norv Turner without that OL in the 90's. I tend to think he and Aikman would have the same issues.
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We'll settle this with a good dust up.
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01-08-2013
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Originally Posted by Risen Star
I think an effective running game you can rely on would do wonders for these perceptions of play calling issues. It'd also do wonders for the QB, since he wouldn't feel he has the weight of the team on his shoulders.
I try to imagine the great Norv Turner without that OL in the 90's. I tend to think he and Aikman would have the same issues.
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I agree, RS. I'm certain that shocks both of us.
But then it comes back to what we have discussed ad naseum.
Does the man with the plan, who tends to load up on one position when he gets motivated to make changes, see the offensive line as a must?
I am in favor of running it down their throats. The success of both RG III and the kid from Seattle was predicated on the fact that both teams could run the ball well. Not taking away anything from them and their success.
But it makes a huge difference when you control the ball and the clock and stay away from dangerous situations like looking up at 14 points and thinking that's okay.
You've been weighed
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And you've been found to be a casual fan
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01-09-2013
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Originally Posted by TwoDeep3
I agree, RS. I'm certain that shocks both of us.
But then it comes back to what we have discussed ad naseum.
Does the man with the plan, who tends to load up on one position when he gets motivated to make changes, see the offensive line as a must?
I am in favor of running it down their throats. The success of both RG III and the kid from Seattle was predicated on the fact that both teams could run the ball well. Not taking away anything from them and their success.
But it makes a huge difference when you control the ball and the clock and stay away from dangerous situations like looking up at 14 points and thinking that's okay.
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Your guess is as good as mine as to what Jerry is thinking. You'd think a former o-lineman would understand how critical it is but I've long since given up on trying to understand his logic.
I hope he does. Otherwise we'll be right back here next year in the same situation.
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We'll settle this with a good dust up.
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01-09-2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Risen Star
I don't think it's very complicated. Just add NFL caliber talent along the OL. Draft a back to replace Felix, since he figures to move on this year.
Offense fixed and I can't think of anything more Romo friendly.
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these are fixes that most would agree with
but, in season, when these fixes were not possible, was it too much to ask the OC to adapt his offense to what opposing defenses were doing? screens, quick slants, short routes?
the problems you outline are clearly huge issues and should be fixed but the OC is part of the problem
JMO
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01-09-2013
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Originally Posted by Galian Beast
They both inherited high ranking offenses with elite quarterbacks.
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No, neither one of them got elite QB's to work with.
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