Hill: Monte Kiffen won't force cover 2 scheme...interviewed w/JG and JG today

[Plankton]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I keep hearing the Safety stuff, and I am even guilty of it myself a little. Quick, without looking it up, name the Bears Safeties during the Lovie years.

More than 3 right will be damned impressive.

I think too much credit is handed to John Lynch. He didn't make the system, the system made him, and I certainly don't recall his track star speed. It was his aggression that made him so good. Remember when his cleaned John Allred's clock when he was TE for the Bears. Allred was his brother-in-law?

Here's a few off the top of my head:

Mike Brown
Danieal Manning
Chris Conte
Craig Stelz
Al Afalava
Major Wright
Adam Archuleta

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

Yeah and it is why they were desperately looking for replacements since then and why they drafted their current guys high in 2010 and 2011.

And yet they still had they were 3rd in scoring defense last year.

Seems as though it's not the most necessary position needed for the defense scheme to perform well, much less a crippling fatal flaw.

[cowboysooner]

Originally Posted by StanleySpadowski

I'm not sure I understand what Sensabaugh and Church have to do with 4-3 or 3-4. Dallas needs an upgrade of the safety play in '12. I don't know if Church is enough of an upgrade in the limited time I've seen him and I have no idea of what Johnson is capable.

I do see either as a significant upgrade over McCray or whatever street free agent they trotted out at times but I don't know if that's enough.

I think people question the instincts of our safety play in zone. Sensabaugh is pretty close to elite at carrying the tight end up the seam. He is pretty kindly average everywhere else. In this defense (assuming cover 2) he is not going to be taking the tight end in man very often.

Everybody thought we were going to run this exotic blitz scheme like Pittsburgh. Claiborne was going to be Ike Taylor and really cover up one side. That would free our mad scientist coordinator to send pressure from everywhere and guys like Carter, Spencer and Ware could really get home. We have supposedly been drafting towards that end for 7 years to some success (Ware and Spencer are as good as it gets). Now it appears that Jerry and probably Larry Lacewell have decided we are going to play just go get 'em defense by drafting better players that everyone and get some run and hit linebackers.

Most if not all good organizations have a philosophy and stick to it. We have Jerry and the direction of the wind.

You said it yourself in a post the other day that our offensive lines have suffered from being half man- half zone blocking lines and it is difficult to scheme for such. We appear to be doing so on our defense as well. In San Fran the pieces fit. Houston's defense fits. At the Giants the pieces fit. They even do for the Jets. They certainly fit in Pittsburgh. Here it is hard to tell and it is really hard to change.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by Boys122

No. I'm not. I think Sensbaugh needs to go and Barry Church is a decent backup option. We need to address safety in the draft.

The the issue is with the safety talent, not what scheme they're playing in.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

And yet they still had they were 3rd in scoring defense last year.

Seems as though it's not the most necessary position to play the defense well, much less a fatal flaw.

Yeah because they found their guys...well that and guys like Tillman are experts at forcing turnovers. I've never seen a DB tackle and punch so well at the same time. Uncanny

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Plankton

Here's a few off the top of my head:

Mike Brown
Danieal Manning
Chris Conte
Craig Stelz
Al Afalava
Major Wright
Adam Archuleta

Not surprised you can name some. Now, without them looking it up would you put money on the vast majority of posters here being able to do the same thing? Or do you agree with me that most of them couldn't do that without looking it up?

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

Rafael Vela ‏@CowboysNation1
The ageism against a Kiffin hire amuses me. Some people want Crennel. He's 65. Tom Coughlin 66. Are they too old?

If you envision Garret being here for the long term, it would be nice if his coordinators could potentially be around for the same length of time so that consistency and continuity could be developed.

Kiffen will be 73 next month so I can’t see that happening.

Is there nobody below 60?

[DBOY3141]

Originally Posted by IrishAnto

If you envision Garret being here for the long term, it would be nice if his coordinators could potentially be around for the same length of time so that consistency and continuity could be developed.

Kiffen will be 73 next month so I can’t see that happening.

Is there nobody below 60?

I'm guessing if Kiffen comes, he will try and bring Rod Marinelli as his DL coach, DC in waiting. I know he's not 60, but he's not 73.

[erod]

Originally Posted by Woods

What were Kiffens problems coaching in college?

His son is an idiot. THAT was the problem.

[IrishAnto]

Originally Posted by cowboysooner

I think people question the instincts of our safety play in zone. Sensabaugh is pretty close to elite at carrying the tight end up the seam. He is pretty kindly average everywhere else. In this defense (assuming cover 2) he is not going to be taking the tight end in man very often.

Everybody thought we were going to run this exotic blitz scheme like Pittsburgh. Claiborne was going to be Ike Taylor and really cover up one side. That would free our mad scientist coordinator to send pressure from everywhere and guys like Carter, Spencer and Ware could really get home. We have supposedly been drafting towards that end for 7 years to some success (Ware and Spencer are as good as it gets). Now it appears that Jerry and probably Larry Lacewell have decided we are going to play just go get 'em defense by drafting better players that everyone and get some run and hit linebackers.

[View Full Quote]Most if not all good organizations have a philosophy and stick to it. We have Jerry and the direction of the wind.

You said it yourself in a post the other day that our offensive lines have suffered from being half man- half zone blocking lines and it is difficult to scheme for such. We appear to be doing so on our defense as well. In San Fran the pieces fit. Houston's defense fits. At the Giants the pieces fit. They even do for the Jets. They certainly fit in Pittsburgh. Here it is hard to tell and it is really hard to change.

I agree it seems to change every couple of years.

With all the money/draft picks spent on Carr and Claiborne last year, will they now become square pegs in round holes?

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by erod

His son is an idiot. THAT was the problem.

An idiot under heavy NCAA sanctions after the last snakeoil sales man skipped town

[cowboysooner]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Not surprised you can name some. Now, without them looking it up would you put money on the vast majority of posters here being able to do the same thing? Or do you agree with me that most of them couldn't do that without looking it up?

Hostile, if we are going to primarily cover 2 why did we spend $50mm plus a first and second round picks on press man corners?

Why would we go to a defense that the commissioner is going to fine and penalize out of existence?

If we are bringing in Kiffen to not run cover 2, why on earth are we bringing in Monte Kiffen?

Do you really think this was 45 year old Jason Garret's idea to hire a 70 year old Monte Kiffen?

This reeks of a Jer, Lace and Switz idea. Kiffen is a great, great coach. He and Lace could sit around drinking bourbon talking football and defense and I'd pay a $1,000 for a glass and some ice. But this does not fit what we have been drafting or coaching our team to do.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

Yeah because they found their guys...well that and guys

If finding a Chris Conte caliber player is all it takes to be "the guy" then I'm not that worried about it.

[Boys122]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

The the issue is with the safety talent, not what scheme they're playing in.

Okay, so we both agree we need to replace them then?

[InmanRoshi]

Do you guys use the same closed minded prototype restrictions on the 3-4? Because neither Lee or Carter are "prototype" 3-4 ILBs. Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil aren't "prototype" 4-3 DEs if you're still stuck in 1985 size prototypes. Yet they still performed very well in the system. Amazing how good players do that.

You do realize that Coleman and Spears are gone this offseason, regardless of which system we run. Who are the "prototype" guys on hand to replace them as 3-4 DEs? Is Sean Lissemore a "prototype" 3-4 DL for you? Is Ratliff more of a "prototype" 3-4 Nosetackle?