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01-11-2013
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#16
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Senior Member
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Location: | The Mid Altantic |
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Who cares about the age... Monte Kiffin is a defensive GURU! I'm just happy Dallas is going back to a 4-3 defense!
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01-11-2013
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#17
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1st Round Pick
Years Donated 2010, 2011, 2013
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING
It's funny how the narrative always changes.
When Rob came in, Garrett was praised to the nines here for supposedly recognizing how important it was bringing in a DC that was the opposite of him personality-wise. Kind of a good cop/bad cop thing.
Now that failed and...oh wait, that wasn't Garrett's fault. Now we hail him as a genius for finally hiring "his kind of guy".
There's always an excuse. This move is all Jerry.
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Whenever Jerry is interviewed he's always saying what's he's going to do.
So it's clear Jerry is making these moves.
I just wish he'd fire the coach that has no clue what he's doing.
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01-11-2013
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#18
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Aut Viam Inveniam Aut Faciam
Joined: | Sep 2008 |
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Originally Posted by Zimmy Lives
Take it for what its worth but The Fan reported earlier today that RR was a Garrett hire. Garrett got the thumbs up from his good pal Norv Turner who had RR on his staff in Oakland.
The way I see it, RR did a great sales job on Garrett and he did not live up to it. We'll never know what RR promised he could accomplish but it obviously was not achieved.
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I think that you're on the right path.
Craig
Chicago thought they had a QB in Rex Grossman, Carolina had faith in Jake Delhomme. What does this have to do with the Dallas Cowboys? It just might mean that Tony Romo isn't what we thought and we may have to move forward without him.
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01-11-2013
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#19
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Senior Member
Joined: | Oct 2008 |
Location: | Austin, TX |
Posts: | 1,737 |
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Originally Posted by LatinMind
I think we've come to the point where Jerry is giving Garrett the keys.
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I sure hope that you're right, but this feels like either confirmation bias or wishful thinking. If Garrett is indeed stripped of playcalling responsibilities - or steps back from them willingly, would you still have the same perspective?
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01-11-2013
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#20
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iPhotoshop
Joined: | Mar 2005 |
Posts: | 5,684 |
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Originally Posted by Shinywalrus
I sure hope that you're right, but this feels like either confirmation bias or wishful thinking. If Garrett is indeed stripped of playcalling responsibilities - or steps back from them willingly, would you still have the same perspective?
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Yes because overall the team is going in the direction that Garrett wants. IDK if thats a good thing or bad at this point. I just know i wanted to see a change in the coaching. Basically because this team was stupid in terms of the basic fundamentals, namely penalties.
Id like to see who Garrett chooses to concede his playcalling duties to. IMO Callahan can go. If theyre going to fire Ryan because his defense was fundamentally bad, they can fire Callahan too. Because his group was fundamentally horrible. Penalties, missed assignments.
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01-11-2013
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#21
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Senior Member
Joined: | Oct 2008 |
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Originally Posted by LatinMind
Yes because overall the team is going in the direction that Garrett wants. IDK if thats a good thing or bad at this point. I just know i wanted to see a change in the coaching. Basically because this team was stupid in terms of the basic fundamentals, namely penalties.
Id like to see who Garrett chooses to concede his playcalling duties to. IMO Callahan can go. If theyre going to fire Ryan because his defense was fundamentally bad, they can fire Callahan too. Because his group was fundamentally horrible. Penalties, missed assignments.
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Not to be contrary, but it seems like you just "feel" that Garrett is getting the keys and won't be convinced otherwise by any evidence. Is there anything short of Garrett getting fired that would convince you that he doesn't have the keys?
You may end up being right, but it feels like a stretch to spin one of the coaches Garrett picked getting fired and a loss of playcalling responsibilities as evidence of increased authority.
Again, I hope you're right.
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01-11-2013
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#22
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Senior Member
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Posts: | 3,851 |
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Originally Posted by LatinMind
Wow, ill start this off with just saying WOW!
Now i dont know if thats a good or bad wow just yet, but i guess we will find out in this year.
While alot of people are saying this is a Jerry move and Garrett is now his puppet. Ill say its the contrary, this is clearly a Garrett move. Kiffin is not the type of guy that Jerry goes after. He's about the flashy guy. Kiffen is a older version of Garrett personality wise. Boring and smart. Will not speak the media and will just get his job done.
[View Full Quote]I think we've come to the point where Jerry is giving Garrett the keys. Granted it might be for 1 yr because if Garrett fails he's gone as soon as the Cowboys play their last game in '13. But i think this is Garrett's team now. I know people are going to say this is not the way it is, Jerry needs to be the center of it all blah blah blah. But this offseason who have we seen more of? Jason Garrett, talking about whatever. But the face of the offseason has been Garrett not Jerry.
Now im not saying that Garrett will be the end of all saying in Dallas. Thats still Jerry, but i think Jerry is willing to let Garrett take the lead going forwards to an extent. Garrett is building the team the way he wants. This is just something that Jerry has done twice and thats with Jimmy and Parcells.
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Because that Wade Phillips was Mr. Flash.
You've been weighed
You've been measured
And you've been found to be a casual fan
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01-11-2013
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#23
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DeMarco's Agent
Years Donated 2007, 2009, 2011
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Location: | in my driveway d |
Posts: | 17,951 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LatinMind
Wow, ill start this off with just saying WOW!
Now i dont know if thats a good or bad wow just yet, but i guess we will find out in this year.
While alot of people are saying this is a Jerry move and Garrett is now his puppet. Ill say its the contrary, this is clearly a Garrett move. Kiffin is not the type of guy that Jerry goes after. He's about the flashy guy. Kiffen is a older version of Garrett personality wise. Boring and smart. Will not speak the media and will just get his job done.
[View Full Quote]I think we've come to the point where Jerry is giving Garrett the keys. Granted it might be for 1 yr because if Garrett fails he's gone as soon as the Cowboys play their last game in '13. But i think this is Garrett's team now. I know people are going to say this is not the way it is, Jerry needs to be the center of it all blah blah blah. But this offseason who have we seen more of? Jason Garrett, talking about whatever. But the face of the offseason has been Garrett not Jerry.
Now im not saying that Garrett will be the end of all saying in Dallas. Thats still Jerry, but i think Jerry is willing to let Garrett take the lead going forwards to an extent. Garrett is building the team the way he wants. This is just something that Jerry has done twice and thats with Jimmy and Parcells.
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I believe you may be onto something here. Jerry gives Jason the keys and full rope for the next year. Plenty of rope to either hang himself or jump rope to greater heights. I believe this is Jerry' s masterful way of making this a defining year for the young JG.
"Competition is the greatest motivator." - - - Your Boy Bleu
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01-11-2013
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#24
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DeMarco's Agent
Years Donated 2007, 2009, 2011
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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Oh, and for the record, I LOVE this hire and how "uncomfortable" it makes many at VR. Work it Jerry!
"Competition is the greatest motivator." - - - Your Boy Bleu
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01-11-2013
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#25
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Senior Member
Joined: | Jan 2008 |
Posts: | 4,173 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristen82
Maybe because he's afraid of young people, bright lights, and pooping himself at the podium.
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Yowza! Who's that pretty gal in your sig?
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01-11-2013
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#26
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Senior Member
Joined: | Aug 2005 |
Posts: | 238 |
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I agree this is a Garrett move, but I disagree that this is a good move.
I think Garrett has more power than people here think. Jerry listens to him.
But Kiffin is just too old. Being a DC requires long work hours and a lot of energy. It is a fast paced job and I doubt a 72 year old can handle it. Also, he was not succesful in his previous job, so I have my doubts that this will work. I am very concerned about the direction of this organization. I was not a huge RR fan, but he did a decent job with what he had. The defense had a real chance to improve next year and now we have to start over.
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01-11-2013
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#27
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iPhotoshop
Joined: | Mar 2005 |
Posts: | 5,684 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Soth
I agree this is a Garrett move, but I disagree that this is a good move.
I think Garrett has more power than people here think. Jerry listens to him.
But Kiffin is just too old. Being a DC requires long work hours and a lot of energy. It is a fast paced job and I doubt a 72 year old can handle it. Also, he was not succesful in his previous job, so I have my doubts that this will work. I am very concerned about the direction of this organization. I was not a huge RR fan, but he did a decent job with what he had. The defense had a real chance to improve next year and now we have to start over.
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Labeau is going to be 76 when the season starts.
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01-11-2013
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#28
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Right Kind of Guy
Years Donated 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Posts: | 117,252 |
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Originally Posted by yimyammer
Yowza! Who's that pretty gal in your sig?
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That's her.
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01-12-2013
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#29
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Senior Member
Joined: | Jan 2008 |
Posts: | 4,173 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hostile
That's her.
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Doh!
***Blush***
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