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01-12-2013
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#16
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Zone Scribe
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Fox kneeling on the ball with 30 seconds left at the regulation was the head scratcher for me. You got Peyton Manning and one of the best long distance kickers in the league, and you don't even take good healthy swing at it? It never ceases to amaze me how inherently risk averse most NFL head coaches are.

Despite labeling myself a "realist", no one understands my pain or appreciates my special truth. Stupid world.
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01-12-2013
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#17
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Convicted of Gnostical Turpitude
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Originally Posted by rcaldw
Then if the Cowboys have to settle for a 49-yard field goal, fine, but no coach in his his right mind chooses to win a game with a kick that long.
From a JJT article, Dec. 5th, 2011, loss to Cardinals.
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You think JJT is reading your thread? 
"Many of the greatest things man has achieved are not the result of consciously directed thought, and still less the product of a deliberately coordinated effort of many individuals, but of a process in which the individual plays a part which he can never fully understand." - Friedrich Hayek
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01-12-2013
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#18
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It was the Cincinnati game this year, when he ran Demarco Murray, we got the first down, Bailey made the kick, and we had a whole host of Garrett is an idiot posts in here afterwards. Any way, you guys all know (cmon be honest), if Garrett had called 3 runs into the belly to set up a 50 yard FG, he would be heavily criticized around here.
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01-12-2013
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#19
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi
Fox kneeling on the ball with 30 seconds left at the regulation was the head scratcher for me. You got Peyton Manning and one of the best long distance kickers in the league, and you don't even take good healthy swing at it? It never ceases to amaze me how inherently risk averse most NFL head coaches are.
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I agree Roshi.
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01-12-2013
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#20
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by ScipioCowboy
You think JJT is reading your thread? 
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 I don't know, but that is a funny line in view of what happened today.
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01-12-2013
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#21
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Senior Member
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Justin Tucker was 30/33 this year, including a 56-yarder. Harbaugh was completely reasonable in playing for the 45-50 yard FG. It was like if we had Nick Folk circa 2007; you just trust that he's gonna make it.
Now John Fox having Peyton kneel with 31 seconds and 2 TOs, in your own freakin' stadium where you can easily kick a 65-70 yarder - that was madness!
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01-12-2013
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#22
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by goshan
yeah 47 to 51 is actually pretty significant in terms of percentage, but we don't want to bring that up because someone has an agenda.
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Agenda.... one of the most overused and misused words on this forum. I have no agenda, I simply found it funny. I'm smiling, can't you? 
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01-12-2013
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#23
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DallasJ7
Justin Tucker was 30/33 this year, including a 56-yarder. Harbaugh was completely reasonable in playing for the 45-50 yard FG. It was like if we had Nick Folk circa 2007; you just trust that he's gonna make it.
Now John Fox having Peyton kneel with 31 seconds and 2 TOs, in your own freakin' stadium where you can easily kick a 65-70 yarder - that was madness!
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I don't criticize Harbaugh... it was tongue in cheek. And I don't blame Garrett for trusting Bailey either. And you know, and so do I, that we would have a whole host of posters in here saying, "BUT WHY MAKE IT SO HARD?" Stupid Garrett!!!!! 
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01-12-2013
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#24
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by rcaldw
I don't criticize Harbaugh... it was tongue in cheek. And I don't blame Garrett for trusting Bailey either. And you know, and so do I, that we would have a whole host of posters in here saying, "BUT WHY MAKE IT SO HARD?" Stupid Garrett!!!!! 
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With Bailey, I'd never blame Garrett for wanting to run 3 times inside the 30.
But tonight's game was a different situation, no? Baltimore wasn't up against the clock in tonight's game, while in our situation you had that cluster**** end-of-game clock mismanagement on 1st down.
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01-12-2013
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#25
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rcaldw
It was the Cincinnati game this year, when he ran Demarco Murray, we got the first down, Bailey made the kick, and we had a whole host of Garrett is an idiot posts in here afterwards. Any way, you guys all know (cmon be honest), if Garrett had called 3 runs into the belly to set up a 50 yard FG, he would be heavily criticized around here.
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That was because they passed it prior, setting up a 3rd and 6 where Murray had an exceptional run to bail the team out.
This was after they passed the ball, twice I believe.
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01-12-2013
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#26
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
That was because they passed it prior, setting up a 3rd and 6 where Murray had an exceptional run to bail the team out.
This was after they passed the ball, twice I believe.
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Honestly I don't remember. But to criticize any strategy after it wins I find silly. I think an element of our fan base has just gotten into the habit of criticizing whatever Garrett does. Win or lose... he did it wrong 
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01-12-2013
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#27
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Salary Cap Analyst
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rcaldw
It was the Cincinnati game this year, when he ran Demarco Murray, we got the first down, Bailey made the kick, and we had a whole host of Garrett is an idiot posts in here afterwards. Any way, you guys all know (cmon be honest), if Garrett had called 3 runs into the belly to set up a 50 yard FG, he would be heavily criticized around here.
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Bailey's kick at the end of the Bengals game was only 40 yards. It also came on second down. The Ravens ran on second down and on third down to get closer, then kicked it on fourth down.
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01-12-2013
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#28
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Waitin' on the 6th
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
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I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking that a coach should try to get his kicker as close as he possibly can, .. when it is within his power to do so.
It only seems logical to improve your odds when possible.
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01-12-2013
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#29
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Senior Member
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Location: | Houston, Tx |
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I love how people find questionable decisions from numerous college and the NFL teams and compare it to the questionable decisions we make on a weekly basis.
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01-12-2013
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#30
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rcaldw
Honestly I don't remember. But to criticize any strategy after it wins I find silly. I think an element of our fan base has just gotten into the habit of criticizing whatever Garrett does. Win or lose... he did it wrong 
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I don't find it silly.
People criticized the hell out of Parcells for not taking advantage of a depleted Seattle secondary.
Are we really going to say that the appropriateness of criticism hinges on whether or not Romo bobbles that ball? Albeit there was a little time left so you never know what happens after that.
Point is, if you're looking solely at outcomes without understanding how those outcomes came about, you're missing the vast majority of the story.
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