Read Option

[ABQCOWBOY]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

This is news to me. I've seen them scramble on passing plays from under center and run on QB draws in a spread formation. Granted, I didn't watch a lot of their games in Atlanta and Tennessee.

I did. They both ran variations of what we see today

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by Doomsday101

RGIII was trying to jump over defenders, he was trying to pick up the extra yards. No doubt if you play QB and you are challenging defenders head up then you will get busted up. He did not have to try to hurrdle a defender or try to pick up an extra yard. RGIII exposes himself not the offensive system.

Exactly. He makes boneheaded decisions WHEN HE SCRAMBLES. When they're in Pistol, and he decides to keep it, he has avoided contact with not many defenders being able to get a bead on him. On passing plays from under center, the OL hasn't been able to consistently maintain the pocket and he's made bad decisions trying to turn a bad play into a good one. He needs to learn to throw the ball away sometimes. He rarely ever throws the ball away when he feels pressure or receivers aren't open.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I did. They both ran variations of what we see today

From the 2009 season when the Eagles played the Cowboys in the playoffs.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I don't agree. Because of the way the offense is set up, that's going to happen. It's going to be something because you don't cover up your QB. He's out in space and he's either going to throw the ball, pull it down or get hit in the backfield. Two of the three involve exposing your QB. I think what you will see Defenses do is focus on hitting the QB everytime they break the pocket in future. I think this is how they will defeat that offense. I'm not a fan of it.

The QB is instructed to only run when the DE/OLB is playing the tailback, that leaves him wide open to run and have plenty of time to slide or get out of bounds. The play is always being ran away from him, so there are only the defenders on the weak side with an opportunity to hit him, and you already know one isn't there. If the opportunity isn't there, the ball goes to the tailback. I've often seen RG3 keep it only twice a game. If a defense is been particularly undisciplined, you'll see him keep it more.

So actually, only one of the 3 options exposes your quarterback. He'll either hand it off to the RB, throw it, or keep it himself. Keeping it himself happens the least. How good your personnel is running the offense and how the defense plays it, determines how many times the QB is handing off or throwing.

[Doomsday101]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I don't agree. Because of the way the offense is set up, that's going to happen. It's going to be something because you don't cover up your QB. He's out in space and he's either going to throw the ball, pull it down or get hit in the backfield. Two of the three involve exposing your QB. I think what you will see Defenses do is focus on hitting the QB everytime they break the pocket in future. I think this is how they will defeat that offense. I'm not a fan of it.

Again the QB is not hanging on to the ball like some old fashion option play and NFL does not let you kill QB's. You got just as much of a chance getting hammered in the pocket. Look at Romo broken collar bone, broken ribs and injured ribs in the last game. If this was an offense that was soley about running the ball out of this formation then I would agree but it's not, guys with very good passing skills can run it be it RGIII or Andy Dalton.

In my view it is not anything like the wildcat which is nothing but a direct snap to the RB and it is soley a running play the defense know exactly what you are going to do. The Pistol does not allow you to key on just one thing you have to play the field because you can throw out of it just as easy as you can running out of it.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by joseephuss

From the 2009 season when the Eagles played the Cowboys in the playoffs.

Thanks for the vid. I'd love to see some splits from that 2010 season to see how often Philly used it.

[joseephuss]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

Thanks for the vid. I'd love to see some splits from that 2010 season to see how often Philly used it.

Probably less than they did with Vick in 2009 when he only came in a few plays a game as a change up to McNabb.

[JohnsKey19]

While scheme plays a part and enhances a players ability, ultimately you have to be a good player to succeed at this level. Kapernick, Wilson, Newton and RG3 will do fine going forward. I worry about RG3 some health-wise due to his slight frame and inability or refusal to avoid major contact, but the other guys will be just fine. Remember, these are all very skilled 1st/2nd year NFL QBs so you have to assume they will continue to improve and adjust as NFL defenses adjust to them. Neither player is hardly a one-trick pony. I believe they all have bright futures in the league whether NFL defenses better adjust to the read-option or not.

[dwmyers]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

They both ran read option offenses, practically from the time they came into the NFL. Each played in offenses that had elements of Read Option in them.

When Vick came into the league, the coach in Atlanta was Dan Reeves, and he was running a version of Tom Landry's offense.

(sarcasm) You know, zone read central (/sarcasm).

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[links18]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

He would look like 00 Carter in Dallas. Quincy was not accurate with the ball. That's a problem.

Switzer was on record saying we should run the option when Quincy was drafted....

[jazzcat22]

Originally Posted by Vanilla2

It's the perfect offense.

The way the rules have been set up to protect QBs they almost have an unfair advantage over the d.

also the QB slide should be removed from the rule books if these guys are gonna be used in that manner.

Then teams better be 5 deep at QB, because once the defenses have an off season to figure this out, they won't last long....and it only take one defensive genius to figure it out, then all teams will copy it...

The QB will go down, and go down hard...on clean hits...

[dwmyers]

Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY

I did. They both ran variations of what we see today

In 2000-2001 how many people were running the spread offense? If Rich Rodriguez is credited with inventing it, where did Vick learn it, from Tommy Bowden at Tulane or Clemson? Vick's coach in college was Frank Beamer, for crying out loud, a defensive guru and a 4-4 disciple.

Option plays, yes. The option is as old as Don Faurot. The zone read out of the spread? Almost certainly not. It wasn't that common when Vick came out of college.

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[Deep_Freeze]

I think it is here to stay.

What is not talked about is how rookie contracts and such are working out for QBs. In the past, GMs didn't want their 100 million dollar rookie QB doing it cause of that mountain of money. Now that they have less resources in the position, its not like you can't draft another one.

QBs are coming out more prepared and I really don't think they are as irreplaceable as they used to be. Now, you would much rather have the 15 year type, but if that read option guy never develops anything else in his game then you could easily just dump and replace him.

The NFL can change and it bout time we actually start to look at it instead of just sticking to ol' school thought processes.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Plankton

Stanford had a great approach to playing the Oregon spread attack:

• Get upfield.
• Maintain lane/gap discipline
• Play physical and hit the QB on the read-option plays

If this is the approach going in, and the DEs in a 4-3 and the OLBs in a 3-4 are taught to stick the QB only, the attack can be stopped. It is predicated on the 3 man line/ILBs in the 3-4 and the 2 DTs and 3 LBs stopping the inside run from the back. The keys are what I listed above.

With the amount put in QBs, if they are getting tagged on these plays, the QBs will not hold up over the course of a season. It is why the option has not been a sustainable offense in the NFL.

I would tell my linemen that if the fake is in front of them and they are not sure then plow the QB. No cheap hits but if you have to guess guess such that the QB gets hit.

If the NFL picks up on this and Goodell does not turn it into laundry day then the read/option will not last. I believe that it is not lost to the NFL that one of the more dynamic prospects to come out in the last decade has a roached knee and runs this system.

[Fastphilly]

The read option is only successful with a very good conventional running game. WASH, SEA, and SF all possess that this year that contributed to their success. Without a good running game OLBs will not bite as much on the inside fake and they will stay diciplined on the outside edges.

Green Bay's LBs were spooked on the running game (Gore) and was caught slipping on the oustide containment. Not to mention Capers plan of bringing in fire blitzes with man to man coverage created alot of running space down field with DBs backs turned covering WRs. The difference between the Vikings QB last week and Kap this week is Kap can throw in the pocket.