Kiffin was a Garret hire

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Originally Posted by CyberB0b

LOL. I guess that is why Lacewell and Switzer have been hyping up the old man. Because it was all Jason, not the guy who they advise, right?

Garrett was with Kiffin in Tampa to see him coach first hand, but please don't the facts stand in the way of your argument.

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Originally Posted by Coy

I am sorry but IMO to think this was a JG move and not a JJ move is not knowing how JJ operates the Dallas Cowboys.
Saying that I obviously think JG had some input on the move, but this has JJ written all over it, just ask Larry Lacewell, Jerry´s friend what he thinks of Kiffin.

Either he gets the credit or the blame, that´s the way it has always been with him and unfortunately always be.

I'm not saying JJ had no hand in it. But why is that surprising? He's the GM, and last I checked GMs are involved in coaching rank hiring decisions.

But know this, if Garrett did not want the DC position upgraded, and if he did not view the Kiffin hiring as that upgrade and approve Kiffin's hiring, Rob Ryan will still be our DC until an upgrade is found.

[Coy]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

I don't think it started with Jerry.

Part of the reason why I mention this is what I was told by a source close to the organization who sold me on Garrett as a head coach. And a big part of what this person told me was Garrett being about consistency and how he coaches the players.

Garrett wants the players to get the basics of football down pat first. Then when they master those basics, he will allow the players to do more advanced stuff.

It's sort of like math. When you first learn math, you start off with learning the numbers and then counting. Then you get into addition and subtraction. Then you get into multiplying and dividing numbers.

Other coaches like Wade tend to think more of the mindset that the players did 'good enough' at the basics, so they thrust them into more complicated schemes.

[View Full Quote]That's why so many of the younger players have developed so well under Garrett. He has preached the basics. Have a great game where you catch 3 TD's doesn't mean a thing if your technique sucks because sooner or later, you'll get beat by bad technique. Wade OTOH, he would let it slide.

I can see the Wade style of thinking, but this franchise in this culture and with these types of fans and this media needs consistent players with tremendous work ethic. We don't need the Mike Jenkins' of the world.

This falls right in line with Kiffin's approach, which Garrett saw firsthand when he was at Tampa Bay. It's right in line with what Nick Saban coached when Garrett was an assistant.

It's not your Tom Landry type of football. But, it's right in line with what Garrett wants.

We have to remember that most people thought Kiffin retired for good at USC. I would imagine that Kiffin somehow made it clear he would love to coach in the NFL again and when Garrett heard of it, that was the end of Ryan.

I think Jerry's role was more in the lines of he wanted a backup plan if Kiffin didn't seem like a right fit or didn't come to Dallas. I think that once they felt they could have that with Horton and Lovie Smith because the entire thing coincided right when the Bills chose Doug Marrone over Lovie, that's when they fired Ryan and got ahold of Kiffin and hired him.

Again, it doesn't really matter to me if it was a Jerry or Garrett hire and I'm more or less nonplussed about the hire. Some parts of it I like the hire, other parts I don't.

But, it's funny how the typical Jerry haters immediately call it a 'Jerry Hire' and claim it was so transparent because essentially, Larry Lacewell loved the hire. It just gives them something to whine about when it comes to Jerry. I think if Jerry really wanted his way, he would have hired Lovie Smith. It would be a much better fit as to what Jerry wants and needs.






YR

Fair enough, even though we don´t agree on this, I really like your posts and can understand the point you´re trying to make.
And by the way, I love Jerry, this wasn´t a knock on him, I actually liked the hire it´s just that IMO everything starts with him, but I sure do respect your´s.

[CyberB0b]

Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN

Garrett was with Kiffin in Tampa to see him coach first hand, but please don't the facts stand in the way of your argument.

He was there for like a few weeks in 2004 as a 3rd string QB. Hardly what I would call first hand experience.

[Coy]

Originally Posted by AMERICAS_FAN

I'm not saying JJ had no hand in it. But why is that surprising? He's the GM, and last I checked GMs are involved in coaching rank hiring decisions.

But know this, if Garrett did not want the DC position upgraded, and if he did not view the Kiffin hiring as that upgrade and approve Kiffin's hiring, Rob Ryan will still be our DC until an upgrade is found.

I didn´t say it was surprising, and do know this, if JJ didn´t want Kiffin here or he wanted another DC, Kiffin wouldn´t be here no matter what JG wanted.
I respect your opinion and I do agree with you that JG had to be on board with the hire, by no means am I saying that Jerry is a dictator, all I am trying to say is this, IMO at the end of the day Jerry calls the shots, no one else.

Either way I hope Kiffin does an excellent job, I do like the hire by the way.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by jday

It's alot like how America decides who is going to be president. Granted, it's put to a vote of the American people, but only the elite decide who get's to run. So, sure Garrett got to vote and do an otherwise unnecessary interview but Jerry decided who he could vote on and interview with.

Nice story! Wait, no, it wasn't.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by superpunk

The fact is noone here knows, but there's a culture on the site perpetuated by a few people where if you make really definitive statements really loudly you can just say whatever you want and not get called on it when you're wrong. It's annoying but nothing is really done to curb it, so hola...threads like this.

Newsflash: it's a football message board. Go join some british cricket chat if you're looking for polite and hushed tea time discussion.

[RoyTheHammer]

Originally Posted by links18

Never mind fix the offensive line.....

I was hoping we would do that as well. We just wanted to guarentee we'd be weak along at least one of the lines next year again.. because you know, games arn't won in the trenches or anything.

[ScipioCowboy]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Newsflash: it's a football message board. Go join some british cricket chat if you're looking for polite and hushed tea time discussion.

I don't know, man. Those British cricket boards are pretty rough and tumble.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by Irving Cowboy

Kind of ironic that some people who say they are privy to insider info claim that Kiffin was a Garrett hire, yet wasn't it Jerry the one who said he's going to make all the changes?

I really don't care who hired who anymore... it doesn't make this dysfunctional outfit run any better either way. Just sick of all the agenda-backing theories being thrown out like they're gospel.

Garrett had enough power to scapegoat Rob, so he likely has some say in these hires too. Does he know what he's doing? Probably not. The team was able to mask itself behind extremely weak schedules the last two seasons. Next season, they'll either be exposed and finish <.500, or we'll see that the changes are working.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by ScipioCowboy

I don't know, man. Those British cricket boards are pretty rough and tumble.

[jday]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Nice story! Wait, no, it wasn't.

Oh, my bad, I forgot.

The End

fixed.

[RW Hitman]

does it really matter who wanted Kiffen because the real concern is JG and his playcalling.

Now we probably can guess JG is not going anywhere THIS year, but if he still calls the plays on offense, then this whole next year will be a failure before it even starts.

Sorry if you don't wanna hear that, but his offense sucks.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Newsflash: it's a football message board. Go join some british cricket chat if you're looking for polite and hushed tea time discussion.

He isn't being polite there so why would you think that is what he is advocating? He is talking about presenting opinion and/or speculation as fact. To me that is intellectual dishonesty.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Garrett had enough power to scapegoat Rob, so he likely has some say in these hires too. Does he know what he's doing? Probably not. The team was able to mask itself behind extremely weak schedules the last two seasons. Next season, they'll either be exposed and finish <.500, or we'll see that the changes are working.

Nice story. Garrett likes playing cricket on the practice field rather than gameplanning. That's why he doesn't run the ball when you want him to.