Pearson - John Garrett applied for the Delaware HC job

[DWAREZ]

Eatmen just stated on Cowboys Break that John Garret was not well liked by other coaches and staff.

Who really knows but there you go!

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

That's fine! Again, I'm not going to pretend I have knowledge of John G or that I know what goes on at VR with Jason and John. Just writing how I think cronyism can be perceived by others and even other coaches. You asked what it could damage and I think those things pointed out could be negatives in the wrong situation.

I doubt you can throw a dart at a team that doesn't have "cronyism." Making it into some kind of thing that makes players play worse is rather ridiculous.

[justbob]

Keep it on the thread and lay off the personal jabs and insults...

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by Supercowboy1986

I'm in the boat that you should never mix family and business. You can bring up the Shanahans as being an exception but I still wouldn't want any of my siblings or extended family being on staff if I was HC. It causes a lot of un wanted problems and as soon as the situation gets sticky you get accused of favoritism and blah blah blah. Not worth the headache, John may or may not be a great coach but that's the only reason why I want only 1 Garrett on staff.

Bill Belichick
Don Shula
Tom Coughlin
Bum Phillips
Marty Schottenheimer

I could go on. All coaches who disagree with you.

[CATCH17]

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

Eatmen just stated on Cowboys Break that John Garret was not well liked by other coaches and staff.

Who really knows but there you go!

Thats what I've heard too but unless Rich Dalrymple issues a statement saying we don't like this guy the Pro Garrett crowd won't hear it.

[iceberg]

Originally Posted by CATCH17

Thats what I've heard too but unless Rich Dalrymple issues a statement saying we don't like this guy the Pro Garrett crowd won't hear it.

why do you have to attack the other side every chance you get?

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by DWAREZ

Eatmen just stated on Cowboys Break that John Garret was not well liked by other coaches and staff.

Who really knows but there you go!

Did he? This is interesting. I wish I knew how much to trust this after-the-fact scuttlebut. Same thing with the Ryan-wasn't-in-meetings stuff that didn't come out until he was out the door. Eatman's not really a pot-stirrer, though.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by Hostile

I doubt you can throw a dart at a team that doesn't have "cronyism." Making it into some kind of thing that makes players play worse is rather ridiculous.

I never stated that. Not even close. I was, as a bystander to the argument, just expressing how a coaching staff could be undermined by it. You asked a question of how a staff could be affected and I gave an answer. The reality is it probably doesn't affect a majority of teams but there could be situations and we aren't sure here with rumors coming out like right above this..

[Irving Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Hostile

Bill Belichick
Don Shula
Tom Coughlin
Bum Phillips
Marty Schottenheimer

I could go on. All coaches who disagree with you.

Sometimes it works.

Sometimes it doesn't.

For every one of those names there's probably 2 instances that it hasn't worked. I have neither the time, nor the agenda to do the necessary research right now to get those names. And I wouldn't hold Bum, Don Shula, or Marty up there as shining examples of it working, either.

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

I never stated that. Not even close. I was, as a bystander to the argument, just expressing how a coaching staff could be undermined by it. You asked a question of how a staff could be affected and I gave an answer. The reality is it probably doesn't affect a majority of teams but there could be situations and we aren't sure here with rumors coming out like right above this..

I don't care if he is liked. I care if he does his job, and we had passing results and TE success. Mike Ditka wasn't liked when he was on Landry's staff. But he got results. That's why the Bears hired him. He wasn't liked there either, nor in New Orleans.

[Irving Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Idgit

Did he? This is interesting. I wish I knew how much to trust this after-the-fact scuttlebut. Same thing with the Ryan-wasn't-in-meetings stuff that didn't come out until he was out the door. Eatman's not really a pot-stirrer, though.

Can't really say this is after-the-fact yet since he's still there, so it's not a fair comparison.

[dadymat]

Originally Posted by visionary

just facts, no spin

Jason Garrett:

8-8 to 8-8
maybe that is your kind of "process"

John Garrett:

please dont insult everyone by crediting him for witten who was an all-pro before john ever showed up

there is truth to that.....there is also truth that Witten in his 4 seasons before Garrett averaged 700 yards per season, every season with garrett he averages 1000 yards per season....
not to give John Garrett all that credit, but as his coach he has to get some, so lets not act like Garrett is just there to clean Wittens shoes after practice

[Hostile]

Originally Posted by dadymat

there is truth to that.....there is also truth that Witten in his 4 seasons before Garrett averaged 700 yards per season, every season with garrett he averages 1000 yards per season....
not to give John Garrett all that credit, but as his coach he has to get some, so lets not act like Garrett is just there to clean Wittens shoes after practice

If his surname wasn't Garrett...well, you know.

[rickjameschinaclub]

Originally Posted by dadymat

there is truth to that.....there is also truth that Witten in his 4 seasons before Garrett averaged 700 yards per season, every season with garrett he averages 1000 yards per season....
not to give John Garrett all that credit, but as his coach he has to get some, so lets not act like Garrett is just there to clean Wittens shoes after practice

Easy... We had Vinny Testaverde and Drew Henson and other wonders at QB. And even then, his second season he still managed to catch the ball 87 times and had 980 yards, without John Garrett even sniffing the Cowboys roster. During the run with 'Garrett', Tony Romo was the QB and Witten was targetted way more. Dallas went from a rushing attack offense to one that emphasized passing, starting with Tony Sparano as OC in 2007. He was targetted 30 times less the prior two years. The passing game exploded with Romo has starting QB.

When he was tight end coach for the Bengals in 2001 and 2002, Tony McGee caught only 14 balls. Next season, Schobel caught 27 balls. Maybe that's why he was then made a scout and then went on to coach WRs, only to come back to Dallas with his brother, ending up back at the TE position.

[OklahomaCowboy88]

Originally Posted by iceberg

where did i deny anything? I DID NOT so keep your made up crap to yourself. i simply don't know the facts that go on through a daily basis at valley ranch.

i just won't let some media trumped up hate make me believe things for the sake of believing them

Not a single person on this forum knows the facts that go on daily at VR or whats behind the decisions, who makes them etc. Doesn't stop some from pretending though. As fans and followers of the team, we're given information from dozens of guys in the media. Guys who put their names on the line with every "breaking" story. These guys rely on their credibility.

I don't understand your notion that the media is trumping up this hate. Why would they? What is the motivation? What is to be gained? What makes more sense to you, the media having an agenda against a TE coach, or the media reporting on things they're actually hearing - that Jerry wants John Garrett gone for any number of reasons?