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ringmaster · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

No matter what people will be upset. If Jerry had kept the staff in tact he would be viewed as accepting the status quo if he replaces some coaches then it is a mess and piece meal?

He is damned either way.

That is why Dooms I got an ignore list close to 500 whinners, and downers here on out I'm just talking with intelligent football minded fans with a level head such as yourself.

I have no time to be arguing with arm chair GMs, HCs, OCs, or DCs wannabes on this forum will just ignore them all.

newlander · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

No matter what people will be upset. If Jerry had kept the staff in tact he would be viewed as accepting the status quo if he replaces some coaches then it is a mess and piece meal?

He is damned either way.

....and he's the one to blame. The buck stops with him as owner and "GM"...hire a real GM and front office Al Jr. before it's too late.

Doomsday101 · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by ringmaster

That is why Dooms I got an ignore list close to 500 whinners, and downers here on out I'm just talking with intelligent football minded fans with a level head such as yourself.

I have no time to be arguing with arm chair GMs, HCs, OCs, or DCs wannabes on this forum will just ignore them all.

As I said before Jerry took on the role and he has to take the heat heck he knows that. As for what will happen I feel no matter what he does he will be criticized for it. If changes do not take place then all of the talk of status quo and he is only interested in making money.

If he replaces some then he is being knee jerk looking to scape goat others.
I can't sit here and say how this will all work in the end.

I know Kiffin has lead some very good defenses in the past, I'm sure he will bring coaches in that he knows and knows him and what he wants to do.

I don’t think his age is a big factor in terms of his defense since there are coaches who worked under him who are currently using that same Tampa 2 defense so his scheme is not out dated and will work if players execute it

I feel for Rob because I know due to injury a lot of things were out of his control but then some things were and as I have said many times one of the things I hated was his use of the 3 man rush despite the fact he failed most of the time and did so even before the injury bug hit us.

Doomsday101 · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by newlander

....and he's the one to blame. The buck stops with him as owner and "GM"...hire a real GM and front office Al Jr. before it's too late.

He clearly is the one who has to take the hit from disgruntled fans.

As far as hiring a GM that is not likely to happen but in my view does not mean this team can't win. It has before it can again

As for the Al Jr comment? I don't think many know who Al Davis was and what his teams accomplished for much of his life as owner/GM and even HC of the Raiders.

Mr Cowboy · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Idgit

How many years in a row are we going to sit around and watch how moves get made in the NFL, look at half the picture, and conclude that it's the team that's clueless when the reality is that the changes are in process and we just have to wait to see what the plan actually is in the first place?

We go through this with the coaching changes. We go through it with veteran free agency. We go through it with college free agency. Each time, the team's plan becomes clear and we realize we were complaining for no reason other than we didn't know in advance what they were up to. Countless threads about how we don't have a plan, when, in reality, we always--obviously--do.

Just sit tight and see what happens. Then, complain all you want. You guys aren't going to like whatever the plan is, anyway, and you've got a long off season to tell us about it.

So our plan is to be average year in and year out? That's what we have seen for the past 17 years.

Doomsday101 · 01-16-2013

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So our plan is to be average year in and year out? That's what we have seen for the past 17 years.

I don't think that is the plan of the Cowboys. I think that is the words of those who are frustrated.

ringmaster · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

As I said before Jerry took on the role and he has to take the heat heck he knows that. As for what will happen I feel no matter what he does he will be criticized for it. If changes do not take place then all of the talk of status quo and he is only interested in making money.

If he replaces some then he is being knee jerk looking to scape goat others.
I can't sit here and say how this will all work in the end.

I know Kiffin has lead some very good defenses in the past, I'm sure he will bring coaches in that he knows and knows him and what he wants to do.

I don’t think his age is a big factor in terms of his defense since there are coaches who worked under him who are currently using that same Tampa 2 defense so his scheme is not out dated and will work if players execute it

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I agree Dooms at the end of the day for me and you as well is that I know what is going on with this team, you will never hear me keep pointing out the deficiencies of this team a million times over that is what so-called "realists", and whinners do.

I'm also a firm believer that is something doesn't work overtime get rid of it and for Garrett in my eyes he has to get the job done next season or he's gone as for Monte Kiffin, people making fun of his age or his schemes are outdated because of it is childish the "old man" has a SB ring with his scheme.

Yet you had some complain that his scheme sucked at USC, but yet they really don't pay any attention to the college recruting process in which the Pac 12 is all about flashy offenses and they really don't recruit defense in that conference like they do in the SEC, or ACC at the end of the day Dallas, did what they had to do we don't know how all of this will turn out stay tuned.

As for Rob Ryan, his dismissal wasn't a surprise to me but it was unexpected as to I thought he did a decent job with what was left of a gimpy defense by season's end he is a good DC and will land a job quite possibly with KC and he will have some good talent there to work with if he decide to take the job I wish him all the best.

ringmaster · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I don't think that is the plan of the Cowboys. I think that is the words of those who are frustrated.

IMO being frustrated and whinning are two totally different things.

Mr Cowboy · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I don't think that is the plan of the Cowboys. I think that is the words of those who are frustrated.

Those are the results... there is no long term plan, and there is no long term plan coming. We are an average team for the past 17 years, and are in cap hell. Who came up with that plan? Frustrated, absolutely.

What changes has anybody seen that will get us out of mediocrity?

Doomsday101 · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by ringmaster

IMO being frustrated and whinning are two totally different things.

I'm just not the defeatist attitude type person. I'm not pumping sunshine frankly I don't know how any of this is going to play out.

Garrett will likely get his chance to coach in his 3rd season as the HC. I think if the team fails he will be gone, as a fan I hope that is not the case. I would love to see him succeed why would I or anyone claiming to be a fan want him to fail?

Zordon · 01-16-2013

This is how Jerry likes it. Lots of spice.

Doomsday101 · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Mr Cowboy

Those are the results... there is no long term plan, and there is no long term plan coming. We are an average team for the past 17 years, and are in cap hell. Who came up with that plan? Frustrated, absolutely.

What changes has anybody seen that will get us out of mediocrity?

Again I will not wallow in your pity party. You see it as there is no plan or that the Cowboys do not put in your plan?

They don't fire the HC as maybe you would like, they did not hire the DC that you may have hired. How any of this pans out is yet to be seen and if you want to believe next year is over before it starts well enjoy

Rynie · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by DoomsDayD

My doctor told me to drink more and then proceeded to hand me a xanax prescription.

Don't post on Xanax....trust me!

AsthmaField · 01-16-2013

What did people expect? When there is change, this is what it looks like.

ringmaster · 01-16-2013

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Originally Posted by Doomsday101

I'm just not the defeatist attitude type person. I'm not pumping sunshine frankly I don't know how any of this is going to play out.

Garrett will likely get his chance to coach in his 3rd season as the HC. I think if the team fails he will be gone, as a fan I hope that is not the case. I would love to see him succeed why would I or anyone claiming to be a fan want him to fail?

I hear you but that is how it goes in the NFL nowadays, and that is what I can't stand about most people that they like to see people fail and beat their chest to people who may support the success of the person they want to tear down.

And for that reason I have now detached myself from anything sports media related and their poisioning the minds of fans about this team and certain players on this team.