Per Mort: Chip Kelly is the new Coach of the Eagles

[RS12]

The key to beating Kelly's offense at Oregon was to be better in the trenches. Usually only happened when he went up against an SEC team. They got penetration and disrupted the offense.

[NIBGoldenchild]

Originally Posted by Future

I think that, though difficult, the no huddle thing can work. The flaw in Kelly's offense is that it is totally based on speed and misdirection and they rarely have situations, like a 3rd and long, where they would need to huddle and get into a certain formation or play. You simply can not do that in the NFL.

I disagree completely. Today's game is moving towards these types of offense and this type of pace. I recently read an article that talked about Moore, Peyton Manning's old OC from Indy, he went into detail of the DIG play they used to great success and how simple it was. They fell back onto the DIG play over and over to get out of difficult situations. The Broncos are now using a similar play with the same concept called DAG.

The days of a 900 page playbook where a team wouldn't even use a quarter of it and only a handful of plays are consistently effective are over. The best coaches take their best plays, and they run it until you can stop it. This season we've seen how undisciplined defenses have been burned, and the high number of undisciplined defenses has been alarming. I think Kelly's offense can be effective, although he will have to make some adjustments to remain competitive.

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by erod

Those guys have tremendous presence. Chip Kelly looks like the guy at Jiffy Lube.

Look at Chip Kelly. Doesn't exude leadership, culture, organizational skills. Just a typical, ordinary coach.

He can't cheat in the pros with recruiting. He doesn't have those 57 Oregon uniforms that all the 17-year-old kids love. He can't play sissy Pac-10 defenses every week.

Yeah, because Bill Belichick looks like General freaking Schwarzkopf right? Give me a break.

That bolded part is so ridiculous. Please give me some examples of how Chip Kelly doesn't "exude leadership, culture, organizational skills". Please tell me how you can make a statement like that, especially considering you've likely never spent any time around the man or his program.

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

Did any of those coaches run anything that was not seen as a normal system in NFL terms?

Spurrier might be a good comparison because many did not think his system would work well in the NFL.

Some question if Kelly's system would work in the NFL.

Is his system really all that abnormal now? When the best coach in the league visits him to figure out how to translate his offense to the NFL, it may be time to realize that it isn't some out of left field concept, but actually the future of the NFL.

[btcutter]

Originally Posted by erod

Those guys have tremendous presence. Chip Kelly looks like the guy at Jiffy Lube.

Look at Chip Kelly. Doesn't exude leadership, culture, organizational skills. Just a typical, ordinary coach.

He can't cheat in the pros with recruiting. He doesn't have those 57 Oregon uniforms that all the 17-year-old kids love. He can't play sissy Pac-10 defenses every week.

You mean SEC doesn't cheap on reruiting?

Oregon sure played Alabama hell of a lot closer than Notre Dame in Championship games.

I don't know how he will do in NFL but I wouldn't sell him short. Anyone who has the guts to try a new type of offense that has been nothing short of dominating is worthy of some respect.

[SilverStarCowboy]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Yeah, because Bill Belichick looks like General freaking Schwarzkopf right? Give me a break.

That bolded part is so ridiculous. Please give me some examples of how Chip Kelly doesn't "exude leadership, culture, organizational skills". Please tell me how you can make a statement like that, especially considering you've likely never spent any time around the man or his program.

Chip Kelly could end up being the Jimmy Johnson that Jason Garrett will never be.

[NorthTexan95]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Yeah, because Bill Belichick looks like General freaking Schwarzkopf right? Give me a break.

Awesome quote!

Chip Kelly's success in the NFL will depend much more on the Eagles acquiring talent, his defense playing well, and Chip's ability to adjust when the NFL adjusts to him.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Is his system really all that abnormal now? When the best coach in the league sits him to figure out how to translate his offense to the NFL, it may be time to realize that it isn't some out of left field concept, but actually the future of the NFL.

Until someone runs a college spread offense (passing or running version) with regular success than YES it is abnormal right now.

Either way I was talking about the comparison to coaches who ran normal systems vs those that run systems that are not the norm and no matter how you try to frame it...at this time his system is not the norm in the NFL even if people take pieces of it here and there.

Now 5-10 years from now it might be the norm as fewer and fewer teams are running normal offenses in the college ranks as more move towards spread offenses and that could mean there will be a shortage of pro style QBs and QBs who can only thrive in a spread system.

But again...my main point I was making still stands at this time.

[NinePointOh]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

How'd Jim Harbaugh do? How'd Pete Carroll do? How'd Jimmy Johnson do?

Pete Carroll was not an NCAA coach who made the transition to the NFL. He was a long-time NFL assistant, who had been an NFL head coach twice before he ever went to USC. And even then, it took until his third season in Seattle to get a winning record.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

Is his system really all that abnormal now? When the best coach in the league visits him to figure out how to translate his offense to the NFL, it may be time to realize that it isn't some out of left field concept, but actually the future of the NFL.

Remember the Wild Cat-fad? Exactly. A fad. Defenses evolve and adapt. Nice try though.

[Future]

Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

I disagree completely. Today's game is moving towards these types of offense and this type of pace. I recently read an article that talked about Moore, Peyton Manning's old OC from Indy, he went into detail of the DIG play they used to great success and how simple it was. They fell back onto the DIG play over and over to get out of difficult situations. The Broncos are now using a similar play with the same concept called DAG.

The days of a 900 page playbook where a team wouldn't even use a quarter of it and only a handful of plays are consistently effective are over. The best coaches take their best plays, and they run it until you can stop it. This season we've seen how undisciplined defenses have been burned, and the high number of undisciplined defenses has been alarming. I think Kelly's offense can be effective, although he will have to make some adjustments to remain competitive.

The problem I have with Kelly's offense is not its simplicity, I think simple offenses can work - though the best (GB, NE, NO) are very complex. My issue with his offense is that it is predicated entirely on speed. They line up and essentially say things like "our RBs will beat your LBs to the edge every time." In college that idea works, and it frees up lots of other opportunities...it won't in the NFL.

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by BrAinPaiNt

Until someone runs a college spread offense (passing or running version) with regular success than YES it is abnormal right now.

Either way I was talking about the comparison to coaches who ran normal systems vs those that run systems that are not the norm and no matter how you try to frame it...at this time his system is not the norm in the NFL even if people take pieces of it here and there.

Now 5-10 years from now it might be the norm as fewer and fewer teams are running normal offenses in the college ranks as more move towards spread offenses and that could mean there will be a shortage of pro style QBs and QBs who can only thrive in a spread system.

But again...my main point I was making still stands at this time.

Well, I would argue that New England pretty much ran an Air Raid type offense back when Brady threw 50 TD's and they went 18-0. Whatever year that was, 2010?

What's clear to me is that there is a spot in the NFL for an offense like Kelly's. You're seeing a lot more teams running spread variations and certainly a lot of teams borrowing concepts of the pistol and zone read offenses.

I also wouldn't make the mistake of assuming Kelly is married to the exact system is ran at Oregon. He may have developed that because he saw nobody else was doing it. Who's to say what he has in the works for NFL defenses? All I know is the guy is an incredible offensive mind and I wouldn't bet against him figuring out how to keep NFL defenses on their toes even more than they already are.

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by Fletch

Remember the Wild Cat-fad? Exactly. A fad. Defenses evolve and adapt. Nice try though.

So do offenses. That's why you're seeing teams have so much success with new offenses like the Zone Read and Pistol. And if defenses figure that out? Someone like Chip Kelly will have the next idea to throw them off.

[InmanRoshi]

Pretty good write up of Kelly's offense here...

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...familiar-seems

[1fisher]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

To that extreme? Maybe not. But the NFL is clearly moving in the direction of the kind of offense Kelly pioneered at Oregon. I'm sure he sat back and watched what Kaepernick did to GB and thought "Oh crap, I can dominate the NFL".

He'd better draft a bunch of QB's..... they won't last long at the NFL level.