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01-18-2013
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Originally Posted by ShiningStar
you are completely jumping on the bandwagon because "thinking" is to hard.
Sorry man you dont account for the injuries, you dont account for the offensive line, and you dont account for what Romo brings to the table.
i am tired of non journalistic reporters, vs opinionated people telling other people what to think.
qbs are hard, and this whole thing of still "trying to kill off the pocket passer" is so 2002 and so over.
you need a guy to get the ball forward so someone can catch it. high priced qbs running around is not going to last long. i dont care how cool the ferarri looks, if its parked in your garage the whole time its not doing anything for you.
do you know how easy it is to get a qb, seriously, its so freaking easy, ask the jets, ask Denver, because they had to spend oodles of money on a running qb, oh wait, ask the raiders, ask the jets before Wilson, and the Cardinals.
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You are right. It aint easy to git a QB.
But I submit that it is a lot harder to not take a chance in the draft and just keep seeing those INTs happen and keep whistling past the gravey yard, wishing that the football gods will just drop a quality QB in your lap.
"We are not descended from fearful men."
~Edward R. Murrow
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01-18-2013
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#17
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Intramural Legend
Joined: | Mar 2005 |
Location: | Canandaigua, NY |
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Originally Posted by GimmeTheBall!
I am addressing QB, not to replace tony next year, but to groom one for 2-3 years down the road. I apologize if I did not make that cleer.
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No no, I do understand that, and I think it's a good idea.
The issue I have is that this team has a QB good enough to win a Super Bowl right now. I know investing in the future is always a good idea, but using a top draft pick on a guy who is just going to be a back up for a couple years does not help you do that.
While I'd love to have a guy to groom, I don't want one at the expense of, let's say, Barrett Jones. If Dallas is not going to do everything possible to support Romo and build a better team around him, then you might as well blast that whole veteran core (Romo, Austin, Witten, Ware, SPencer, Rat) and go a different direction.
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01-18-2013
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#18
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Senior Member
Joined: | Feb 2005 |
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Originally Posted by GimmeTheBall!
You are right. It aint easy to git a QB.
But I submit that it is a lot harder to not take a chance in the draft and just keep seeing those INTs happen and keep whistling past the gravey yard, wishing that the football gods will just drop a quality QB in your lap.
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they did and the cowboys blew it. Its not Romos fault the line sucked, its not his fault the d had injuries, its not his fault Jason doesnt play to his strenghts. you just had a gift from the football gods and look how many fans hated it.
teams can go back to drafting qbs every draft, but the way the talent has thinned out and been down played by colleges, its a wonder any team can keep fielding the teams the older fans remember. its not going to happen. the scrambling qb is not going to be the future no matter how many times you (not you personally) scream it.
money makes the biggest factor, some of these qbs cost to much to keep on the sidelines, and some are coming into the league but going to different coaches, different teams and different philosphies that also isnt easy for new qbs that some teams just want to throw out there to appease the fans.
the fans dont care, and i cant stress this enough, as long as the WR makes tds, no one cares what he does wiht his life. if the qb can make tds does anyone really care if some dogs died in palookaville? no.
wining matters and the fans will tell you that. even tho some just root for franchises that dont want to win but fill their coffers. fans want to win, sports are a business, its a hard mix.
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01-18-2013
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#19
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by GimmeTheBall!
Taking risks, to me at least, is preferable to the status qui. Believing that Tony is the answer is so 2007.
Belief me, we need to think about this MOST important position, before time and drafts pass us by and we'll be watching the NFL and CFL waiver wires.
I do thank you for your thoughtful response.
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Again tell me how many QBs have come out of the draft since 2006, with a higher quarterback rating than Tony Romo?
Now tell me how many quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round?
Divide the first number by the second number, and that is your rate of risk vs reward...
Tell me that you think you're on the right page.
In the final two months of 2011, Romo’s passer rating was 115.9.
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01-18-2013
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#20
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Senior Member
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In case you don't want to answer the question
There have been 20 quarterbacks taken in the first round of the draft since Tony Romo became the starter of the Dallas Cowboys.
Of which only 1 has a career QB rating higher than Romo.
1/20 is 5%
FIVE PERCENT
You can expand it to other rounds as well, but your percentage is going to drop considerably.
In the final two months of 2011, Romo’s passer rating was 115.9.
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01-18-2013
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#21
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I look at the QB situation in much the same way as I do timing belts for your automobile. A timing belt doesn't really get looked at much until it's too late. However, you really should pay close attention to it. When the belt goes, you are literally screwed and it's expensive and inconvenient to deal with and fix it many times. If you just plan for it, it's a whole lot easier to deal with.
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01-18-2013
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#22
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Senior Member
Joined: | May 2012 |
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Originally Posted by GimmeTheBall!
Yeah, Tony Romo will play until he's 37.
And he'll keep being a gunslinger and thowing picks (5 in some games) and in must-win situations.
And he'll keep telling us he needs to do better and he'll keep critiizing his receivers (even Witten) on the field when he makes errant thows.
To me Tony is the past.
Consider Ryan Nassib, Syrace, or Matt Barkley, USC.
We cannot remain static with Oh No Romo or with an almost average Orton.
We gotta upgrade before Tony descends into "average" with old age and injuries.
Let's look to the future. A QB needs maybe 2 years to develop. Just in time for Tony to step down. Plan for the future. If not now, when?
(I was remist for not mentioning our most glaring needs: O line and front defensive line. I'd rather take my chances at FA than miss out on a Barkley or a Nassib.)
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QB possibility. Dominic Davis with Atlanta will be a RFA this year. Moved from 4th string to 2nd in 2012 training camp and pre season games. I saw him a couple of games and he really looked good.
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01-18-2013
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#23
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Originally Posted by Galian Beast
In case you don't want to answer the question
There have been 20 quarterbacks taken in the first round of the draft since Tony Romo became the starter of the Dallas Cowboys.
Of which only 1 has a career QB rating higher than Romo.
1/20 is 5%
FIVE PERCENT
You can expand it to other rounds as well, but your percentage is going to drop considerably.
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Well, I do understand what you are saying but I think the problem with this criteria is that the NFL doesn't base championships on regular season QB ratings.
The measuring stick is playoffs and ultimately championships. That's the real problem.
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01-18-2013
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#24
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Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING
As a former USC student who saw just about every game Matt Barkley played, I would recommend staying as far away from his as possible. I'm not a fan at all.
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That means he's probably the top QB on their board. I saw just a few of his games & he was inconsistent. But I didn't watch enough of them to know if he was a problem.
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01-18-2013
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#25
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Senior Member
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Location: | Houston, Texas |
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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
I look at the QB situation in much the same way as I do timing belts for your automobile. A timing belt doesn't really get looked at much until it's too late. However, you really should pay close attention to it. When the belt goes, you are literally screwed and it's expensive and inconvenient to deal with and fix it many times. If you just plan for it, it's a whole lot easier to deal with.
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I agree. However right now the car has other repiars that need to be taken care of. While I would not mind seeing the Cowboys getting a QB in the draft but there are areas that are a bit more critical at this stage.
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01-18-2013
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#26
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Senior Member
Joined: | Jan 2010 |
Location: | Dallas |
Posts: | 153 |
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Galian Beast
In case you don't want to answer the question
There have been 20 quarterbacks taken in the first round of the draft since Tony Romo became the starter of the Dallas Cowboys.
Of which only 1 has a career QB rating higher than Romo.
1/20 is 5%
FIVE PERCENT
You can expand it to other rounds as well, but your percentage is going to drop considerably.
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granted hitting on a qb in the draft is hard but we cant just stick our heads in the sand and expect Tony to be here forever either, I'm not saying use a high draft pick on a qb but theres no reason not to take a chance on one in the 4th or 5th. We can't just stand pat we have to think about the future
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01-18-2013
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#27
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Senior Member
Joined: | Sep 2011 |
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Originally Posted by Doomsday101
I know at some point Dallas will have to. I really can't see Dallas taking a QB within the 1st 3 rds of this draft. I do agree it is something that should be addressed in advance but with Romo contract likely to be extended I think this year would be highly unlikely to get a QB
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You are right, we shouldn't go for a QB in this draft. We shouldn't extend Romo either.. we should trade him while he still has value. We could get a #1 for him and use that to really help our lines. Then we could go for a QB next year early in the draft.
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01-18-2013
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#28
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Senior Member
Joined: | Mar 2005 |
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Active QBs with a career passer rating above 80 (i don't believe rookies are counted) who were drafted later than the 1st round
#1 Tony Romo - 95.6, undrafted
#2 Matt Schaub - 91.9, third round
#3 Shaun Hill - 85.9, undrafted (started 26 games)
#4 Andy Dalton - 83.9, 2nd round
#5 Matt Hasselbeck - 82.2, 6th round
#6 Matt Cassel - 80.4, 7th round
So to get a franchise quality quarterback, your only real choice is basically drafting one in the first round, and as I showed you the odds of getting a qb BETTER than Romo is 5 percent so far.
In the final two months of 2011, Romo’s passer rating was 115.9.
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01-18-2013
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#29
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Senior Member
Joined: | Mar 2005 |
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Originally Posted by ABQCOWBOY
Well, I do understand what you are saying but I think the problem with this criteria is that the NFL doesn't base championships on regular season QB ratings.
The measuring stick is playoffs and ultimately championships. That's the real problem.
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Teams win playoff games and championships... the fact that people fail to recognize that is the real problem. Any one with a lick of sense understands that Romo is not at all the problem here.
It's our lack of an offensive line, lack of a running game, and lack of a defense. Not to mention getting out coached.
Wasting precious draft resources on a QB at this juncture is folly, because he won't be as good as Romo, and will have just as much failure as Romo, because the team will continue to suck.
In the final two months of 2011, Romo’s passer rating was 115.9.
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01-18-2013
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#30
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Senior Member
Joined: | Apr 2004 |
Location: | Houston, Texas |
Posts: | 70,362 |
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Originally Posted by tantrix1969
granted hitting on a qb in the draft is hard but we cant just stick our heads in the sand and expect Tony to be here forever either, I'm not saying use a high draft pick on a qb but theres no reason not to take a chance on one in the 4th or 5th. We can't just stand pat we have to think about the future
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True but these picks are pretty iffy but who know maybe a guys like an Brad Sorensen could develop into a very good QB.
Brad Sorensen may be the most underrated quarterback in college football.
Dane Brugler of NFLDraftScout.com rates Sorensen as the second-best small-school prospect; only outstanding Elon receiver Aaron Mellette is ranked above him.
Sorensen has a very interesting background story. He played one season at San Bernardino Valley College and also had a redshirt season at BYU before settling with Southern Utah in 2010.
"Settling" may be a massive understatement. "Excelling" may be more appropriate because he has thrown for over 6,300 yards and 38 touchdowns in only two years as a starter.
At 6'5" and 235 lbs, Sorensen has great NFL size and could the next non-Division I quarterback to make an impact at the next level.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-brad-sorensen
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