John Garrett going to the bucs***merged***

[goshan]

People want him gone because he is associated with the head coach. Its that simple. Nobody (at least very few) have an opinion on John Garrett. People just perceive it as an indicator that Jason is getting slapped around by Jerruh, which validates what they have been saying. Therefore it is validating the arguments they have been making in this forum.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by theebs

I understand.

John Phillips was on his way until that second acl surgery slowed him down.

Tony sporano was beloved here....(particularly by me) but he only developed witten, and really was only his coach for a couple years, pasqualoni before that and Freddie kitchens after sporano.

Sean Ryan was a 4 th round pick and he washed out immediately. Sporano couldn't "develop" him. Brett pierce, Dan Campbell played well under sporano/pasqualoni though.

In 2007 witten,fasano and tony Curtis all played well under Garrett.

Bennett is a mental case with bad hands. Hardly a reason to crucify John Garrett.

I am just confused as to where the angst comes from.

I never touted Sparano as a great coach either.

Anthony Fasano, Martellus Bennett, John Phillips, and James Hanna were/have been all under developed here.

You can make the excuse of Jason Witten, but there are many teams who develop multiple tight ends.

[theebs]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

I don't think it's that deep. It's all about his last name for some. Others may have diff reasons, but I think that's a big part of it.

Yea I agree with that.

It's really about our team just losing. We are all mad about it.

I just am shocked when a tight end coach is causing such an uproar! Even for Dallas this is a new one.

After 04, parcells decided to go in a different direction and he fired Maurice carthon, if I remember correctly he made sure to help him get a new job. It was just a change to try and get better. Pretty harmless.

I remember no one really getting upset except newy and Galloway on espn 103.3

Which really says a lot.

Not much different here.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by goshan

People want him gone because he is associated with the head coach. Its that simple. Nobody (at least very few) have an opinion on John Garrett. People just perceive it as an indicator that Jason is getting slapped around by Jerruh, which validates what they have been saying. Therefore it is validating the arguments they have been making in this forum.

That's bull. I wanted JoeD gone? Is he related to Garrett? I wanted Skip Peete gone, is he related to Garrett? I wanted Campo gone, was he related to Garrett? I wanted Wade Phillips gone, was he related to Garrett?

I want bad coaches gone, and i want bad players gone. Has nothing to do with their last name or their family.

[Coy]

Originally Posted by goshan

People want him gone because he is associated with the head coach. Its that simple. Nobody (at least very few) have an opinion on John Garrett. People just perceive it as an indicator that Jason is getting slapped around by Jerruh, which validates what they have been saying. Therefore it is validating the arguments they have been making in this forum.

This is a good and valid post.

[Erik_H]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

The roster has issues? It's the coaches job to develop the roster. Too often players don't amount to anything here, and go else where and suddenly flourish under legitimate coaching.

I would have no problem with John Garrett if he developed a tight end. And then despite not developing anyone, he is promoted to passing game coordinator. How has our passing game been coordinated? Not well I'd say.

Only coach on this offense worth anything is Robinson. Callahan is TBD. The rest have been garbage.

near 5,000 yds passing. 50 yds shy of 3 1,000 yard recievers? The passing game was pretty solid. It was our run game that was lousy.

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In regards to the vitriol against John Garrett, it's the perceived nepotism that rubs people the wrong way. The truth is nepotism probably played a part in JohnG getting the postion. Doesn't mean he's a horrible coach.

Moving on to a different team where he's not in Jason's shadow is probably the only way he'd be able to advance his career without a stain on it. The fact that the Bucs signed him proves that this hire was not 100% nepotism. Having him move on gets the ugly nepotism story over and done with with. Works for everyone involved.

[Mansta54]

Originally Posted by goshan

I have no hate for the owner, staff and team. But coaching has been a major issue and I am glad there are changes.

I'm glad changes have been made too. I'm real excited about Kiffin taking over the defense.

[Picksix]

Originally Posted by Bluestang

So what players flourished elsewhere?

If you say Bennett, I'm just going to laugh...

Part of the whole Rueage theme that seems to go on around here. Amendola's been good, but he was only here for a year. Fasano's been decent. Chandler's been good, but again, only here for a year. Can't think of any QB's, RB's or OL in the last 5-6 years that have gone on to "flourish" with another team. Bennett started off strong, but regressed as the year went on.

Robinson didn't do much before he came here, then played great with us. Not so much with Jax, but then he didn't have a QB there.

[DOUBLE WING]

I can't imagine anyone really having any personal angst toward John Garrett, but the fact is that changes need to be made in regard to the offense. It's clear that the Head Coach isn't going anywhere and the QB isn't either. So you have to start going down the list and figuring out where you can improve.

People want to blame the talent, but we've got 6 new starters on offense since the Garrett's came into power. Who's to blame there? Eventually you have to say..OK, we've brought in some new guys, maybe it's time to look at the coaches. With Garrett, his development of the TE's has been nothing to write home about and at least results-wise, his work as Passing Game Coordinator leaves a lot to be desired.

[Picksix]

Originally Posted by Erik_H

near 5,000 yds passing. 50 yds shy of 3 1,000 yard recievers? The passing game was pretty solid. It was our run game that was lousy.

Yes, but the antagonists will say that the only time we passed well, was when the game plan broke down and Romo had to do it all on his own.

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by Picksix

Yes, but the antagonists will say that the only time we passed well, was when the game plan broke down and Romo had to do it all on his own.

And there's a lot of truth in that.

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by Picksix

Yes, but the antagonists will say that the only time we passed well, was when the game plan broke down and Romo had to do it all on his own.

And how accurate is that?

2,075 first half yards vs 2,746 second half yards
8 first half touchdowns vs 20 first half touchdowns

[Erik_H]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

I never touted Sparano as a great coach either.

Anthony Fasano, Martellus Bennett, John Phillips, and James Hanna were/have been all under developed here.

You can make the excuse of Jason Witten, but there are many teams who develop multiple tight ends.

Neither Anthony Fasano nor Martellus will be going to Pro Bowls. John Phillips has been pretty good for a 6th round pick. To say a rookie 6th round pick (Hanna) has been under developed is just silly. He came on nicely at the end of the year.

Flipping out over the progress of our 2nd TE is a joke. Not too any teams outside of NE do much more than we do with our 2nd TE.

The really funny thing is that I'm glad John Garrett is moving on. But the reasons described in this thread are just so knee jerk and shallow that I had to play devil's advocate. I didn't like the innuendo of nepotism regardless of whether Garrett was good or not. Its a drama that the Cowboys don't need. Just another dumb storyline that the media can use to generate more website clicks. Something as low on the totem pole as TE coach being used to stir controversy is just aggravating to me, so I'm glad it's over.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by WoodysGirl

Wonder who they have in mind to replace him..

Joe Garrett.

[Erik_H]

Originally Posted by Picksix

Yes, but the antagonists will say that the only time we passed well, was when the game plan broke down and Romo had to do it all on his own.

True, but the antagonists would be wrong.

To add to the whole gnashing of teeth over the 2nd TE situation is the real problem and reason we wanted to see some amazing 2 TE set offense.

The fact that we wasted a 2nd on Fasano when we had Witten in Place, then turned around a dumped him, them WASTED another 2nd rounder on Martellus is the real mistake in this whole mess. 2nd rounders are premium picks as shown by our recent success with Lee and Carter. I hope a scout or 2 were shown the door for pushing that idea.