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CanadianCowboysFan · 01-23-2013

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This is so much more of a personal attack then anything WV did to anyone on here.

Personally, I think we act too rashly in throwing out traditions myself. The 1950’s model of personal responsibility is not something I look down upon.

Would you like to go back to a time where girls who got in trouble had to go away to "visit relatives"?

The 1950s values are nothing to write home about.

Societal values change over time.

As I wrote in other threads, 200 years ago, people thought slavery was fine, that it was allright to treat children as property, that women had no right to vote/own property etc.

Those were traditions at that point. I am sure there were people like you back then who bemoaned those changes.

Hell, let's go back further into the past. Women were stoned for adultery (still happens in Islamic world). Those are their traditions and they force personal responsibility on people. Would you like that traditional system?

Eric_Boyer · 01-23-2013

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Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

Would you like to go back to a time where girls who got in trouble had to go away to "visit relatives"?

They didn’t have to go away. No law existed stating they had to go away.

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The 1950s values are nothing to write home about.

Today’s society of fatherless home, lack of respect for personal responsibility and the value of life is worse.

I’ll take a thousand Sally’s shipped of to relative’s to escape family embarrassment over a single Sandy Hook thank you very much.

CanadianCowboysFan · 01-23-2013

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Originally Posted by Eric_Boyer

They didn’t have to go away. No law existed stating they had to go away.

Today’s society of fatherless home, lack of respect for personal responsibility and the value of life is worse.

I’ll take a thousand Sally’s shipped of to relative’s to escape family embarrassment over a single Sandy Hook thank you very much.

You aren't actually trying to tie in school shootings with the end of 1950s values are you?

Eric_Boyer · 01-23-2013

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Originally Posted by CanadianCowboysFan

You aren't actually trying to tie in school shootings with the end of 1950s values are you?

This isn't about 1950’s values – you brought that time frame into play. In the past, Ray Lewis would of never been looked up to by anybody of importance. Sadly, that is not the case today.

I do tie the increased violence today with our lack of respect for responsibility, property and life.

I could go on a huge political discussion of this very thing, but I won’t.

Diogenes · 01-23-2013

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no. they are a great example of how people judge people all the time around here.

That would be painting with a broad brush, and is precisely why I don't feel compelled to discuss them in this thread.

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The problem with her actions is they were motivated by competition, not a sense of right and wrong.

Which is exactly why I responded with "sanctimonious jealousy." You replied with a sarcasm emoticon.

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If she penned an op ed to the paper explaining how Ray Lewis is a poor role model and the league is hypocritical pumping him up as someone to look up to, I would of respected it more.

See above.

Also know that Anna Burns Welker has made some decisions that many in society would also "look down" on. Sexually suggestive poses for the camera while topless and using only her hands to cover her breasts. Knowing she has participated in that type of behavior, it wouldn't matter how or when she decided to call out Ray Lewis publicly. The hypocrisy she would be engaging in while trying to draw moral distinctions would leave me with little respect for her actions.

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I’m not defending her, I’m defending WV Cowboy and his desire to share his personal views on what constitutes a good role model.

I don't begrudge WV his opinion, nor the opinion of others to disagree with it. That's what we do here.

Eric_Boyer · 01-23-2013

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Originally Posted by Diogenes

"sanctimonious jealousy."

your definition of sanctimonious must be out of whack

sacase · 01-23-2013

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good for you.

now go do it 3 more times, and I will happily point out how you don't seem to learn from bad decisions.

So now my son is a "bad decision"?

sacase · 01-23-2013

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I would not use his personal relationships as a good role model for my children as well.

if he takes offense to that, tough

Yeah let's see....served in the military, fought in a war, obtained a bachelor's degree, obtained a masters degree, coached youth football, have a significant income that allows me to do most things I desire, and provide direction, guidance and mentorship to my son to ensure that he takes advantage of the opportunities in life.....nah...I am a horrible role model, who wants to be like me.

WV Cowboy · 01-23-2013

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except WVCowboy's view of good role model is based on a 1950s model of the world where there are good boys/bad boys and good girls/bad girls. It is hard to listen to advice on women to someone who probably has only ever had one girlfriend and been only with one woman.

The definition of a good role model has not changed since the 50's, 60's, 70's .. even in 2013.

The only thing is there are just less of them around today for our young men to look up to.

Is it the athletes? No
Is it the coaches? No
Musicians? No
Politicians? No
Actors? No
CEO's? No

Truth is .. there are very few men in our society for our young men to look up to today. So if we want our sons to have a good role model, we better be one ourselves.

That has been my goal.

For those that want their son to look up to men that father 6 kids with 4 women, none of whom were his wife, .. that is your call.

Oh, and I have not given any "advice on women" in this thread that I remember.

But I am very proud of the fact that I have been with the same girl for going on 42 years, .. very grateful for what we have and the love we share, very proud of the two sons that we raised together.

More crazy about her with each passing day.

I am old fashioned to a fault, I know that I am, but I am very comfortable thank you.

dez_for_prez · 01-23-2013

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I've given my .02, I'm done with this. For those that don't get it, .. that's the way it is.

How did that work out for ya?

RoyTheHammer · 01-23-2013

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The definition of a good role model has not changed since the 50's, 60's, 70's .. even in 2013.

The only thing is there are just less of them around today for our young men to look up to.

Is it the athletes? No
Is it the coaches? No
Musicians? No
Politicians? No
Actors? No
CEO's? No

Truth is .. there are very few men in our society for our young men to look up to today. So if we want our sons to have a good role model, we better be one ourselves.

That has been my goal.

For those that want their son to look up to men that father 6 kids with 4 women, none of whom were his wife, .. that is your call.

Oh, and I have not given any "advice on women" in this thread that I remember.

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You raised your family a certain way, and guess what? It worked for you.

Congratulations.. really.

However, there are other families who raise their children in many different ways, and guess what? It works out for them alot of the time too.

Im glad you're comfortable with the way you formed your family and the way you raised your children.. but your way isn't the only "right" way and everyone else who doesn't do it specifically like you isn't doing it the "wrong" way.. so sit back in your smug little throne high above us all and continue to act like you are fit to judge anything other than your own choices..

..and most of us will continue to mock your ignorance. I just pray its not something you passed on to your children.

BlueStar3398 · 01-23-2013

I love that dance he does. As a person, I have no idea what kind of guy he is. He may be very sorry about what happened to those 2 young guys. But, if Richard Lollar and Jacinth Baker were my family members, I would have a very hard time forgetting about it.

Wes Welker's wife needs to wait at least 48 hours to post on social media if she is upset about a loss.

Kristen82 · 01-23-2013

6 kids by 4 women. It's adorable how the first words from all of them were, "Don't say nothin'."

RoyTheHammer · 01-23-2013

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I love that dance he does. As a person, I have no idea what kind of guy he is. He may be very sorry about what happened to those 2 young guys. But, if Richard Lollar and Jacinth Baker were my family members, I would have a very hard time forgetting about it.

Wes Welker's wife needs to wait at least 48 hours to post on social media if she is upset about a loss.

Maybe if the parents would have raised those two better, they wouldn't be hanging out at bars picking fights with big, strong football players. Perhaps they can dwell on that in between their grief instead of acting like their kids were innocent victims and whining that justice wasn't served.

Don't get me wrong.. its a tragedy that they both lost their lives, but sometimes that's what happens when you go around picking fights with people.

Eric_Boyer · 01-24-2013

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Maybe if the parents would have raised those two better, they wouldn't be hanging out at bars picking fights with big, strong football players. Perhaps they can dwell on that in between their grief instead of acting like their kids were innocent victims and whining that justice wasn't served.

Don't get me wrong.. its a tragedy that they both lost their lives, but sometimes that's what happens when you go around picking fights with people.

I seriously doubt it went down as you suggest.

From my understanding, Ray Lewis had his foot stepped on, and he and his people escalated matters from there.