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01-25-2013
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#16
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Originally Posted by Bowdown27
Gruden and kiffin made up and have been friends since.
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Does Gruden really want to work with a guy he accused of tanking?
Does Kiffin really want to work with a guy who accused him of doing so?
They may have repaired their personal relationship but I doubt very much that they want to work together again.
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01-25-2013
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#17
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I don´t think it will happen, not this year anyway, but the thing is, this noise around the team doesn´t help anybody and least of all Garrett, whether it could be true, just a rumor or some in the media trying to get something out of nothing this certainly can have a negative effect on Garrett and the team for that matter, bottom line, truth or not, this cannot be good for the Dallas Cowboys, either roll with Garrett and come out and make a clear statement on it shutting down this nonsense or fire him.
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01-25-2013
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#18
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Seems to me like this is more setting up Lovie for next year if Jason does not make a win/loss progress this year.
victory is ours
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01-25-2013
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#19
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Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich
I just don't see why they would wait to hire Gruden.
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You can't always apply logic to decisions Jerry Jones makes.
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01-25-2013
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#20
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Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich
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I just don't see why they would wait to hire Gruden.
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I agree, Jerry would want him in place by now if it was going to happen. Plus I don't think Jerry is ready to fire Garrett yet. Gruden probably means a structural change within the organization and if anything Jerry has been more upfront about making the key decisions this offseason, not less so.
It does set the table for next year though if Garrett fails, which means there might be something to Gruden's ESPN contractual restrictions for 2013.
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01-25-2013
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#21
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Cowboys sure look like they are laying groundwork for Gruden hire
Lots of evidence suggests that is what Jerry Jones wants Gruden
January 25, 2013, 10:47 AM EST..
Jerry Jones is sure taking care of a lot of Jon Gruden’s work for him as he assembles a coaching staff in Dallas now built around coach Jason Garrett.
Whispers have been that Jones wants to hire Gruden out of ESPN’s broadcast booth and bring him to Dallas. There is certainly circumstantial evidence in place right now that would lead you to wonder long and hard about the possibility.
Monte Kiffin has been hired as defensive coordinator and he has brought with him Rod Marinelli to run the defensive line after Jones ordered Rob Ryan be fired. Bill Callahan has been giving play calling duties that have been stripped from Garrett, who was also forced to fire his brother John, the tight ends coach.
The Cowboys are now reported to be pursuing Rich Bisaccia to coach special teams. He’s at Auburn and also worked for Gruden previously in Tampa. If the Cowboys are successful in landing Bisaccia, they will have a good portion of the old band Gruden worked with back together. They will also have the most talented quarterback Gruden has worked with -- Tony Romo -- since an aging Rich Gannon.
What’s the next logical step? Well, it’s Gruden, of course. Maybe Jones is trying to force Garrett out the door? Who knows? That was the word on the street in Mobile, Ala., in the coaching community. Stay tuned.
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01-25-2013
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#22
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I don't think Jones wants to fire Jason and pay him to walk away.
I think he'd welcome his resignation if that were coming.
You don't hire Gruden's best friend in coaching as OC, his long-time DC and his one-time ST coach by mere coincidence.
He literally hired the entire friggin staff.
This is set up so that we learn the 4-3 this year, deal with cap issues, take our lumps and come back with Gruden in 2014.
No one wants to hear that and I hate even saying it... but logically it is what it is.
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01-25-2013
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#23
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You're all making very good points. I found this article to be an interesting consideration. Personally, I've always liked Chuckie and would welcome him to the team. But it does appear that he's more likely to surface next year, if at all.
Pete Gent, the author of North Dallas Forty and a former Dallas Cowboy, once told a rookie skimming the team play book, "Don't bother reading it kid. Everybody gets killed at the end."
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01-25-2013
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#24
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Why are people so sure gruden would wanna work with his old coaching staff.
Who's to say Garrett would rather his defense be a 4-3?
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01-25-2013
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#25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich
I think that if they wanted to hire Gruden...they would have done it by now.
The media sure loves their narratives.
YR
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.....and even worse is the fans that gobble up their garbage as if it were the gospel!
Let's Go Fishin'
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01-25-2013
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#26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich
He would make far more at Dallas or any NFL coaching gig that wanted him than at ESPN. There's been other coaches that have worked at ESPN and left to go coach elsewhere like Denny Green.
The media loves their narratives and they will hold onto them until it doesn't work out. Then they'll just create another narrative until they get one to work with reality.
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I don't honestly know what Gruden's contract looks like but I do know that when ESPN resigned Gruden (because they were worried that he would jump to the NFL a few years ago), they wrote some kind of clause in his contract that would penalize him monetarily if he left early. The problem, at least for ESPN, is that Gruden is one of the few guys they have had at ESPN who works on Monday Night Football in the booth. That is a bit of a difference for Gruden, with respect to some of the others. It could be that Gruden does not want to give the money back to ESPN/ABC or it could be that Gruden want's Jerry to take care of that and Jerry isn't excited about it or it could be that Gruden to Dallas is nothing put a pile of dung and there is no truth to it what so ever.
I honestly don't know where the truth is on this one. I have heard that Gruden's contract is different then most of his collegues. How, or how true that it, I can't say.
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01-25-2013
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#27
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Sounds like the speculation we've all been spewing for weeks now. Nothing new
It was said earlier in this thread--if Jerry wanted Gruden, he would've been hired already.
Most likely, these coaches have all been hired because they know each other and Jerry is relying on their word.
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01-25-2013
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#28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1fisher
.....and even worse is the fans that gobble up their garbage as if it were the gospel!
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Not a gobble. More like a nibble. But still interesting debate. 
Pete Gent, the author of North Dallas Forty and a former Dallas Cowboy, once told a rookie skimming the team play book, "Don't bother reading it kid. Everybody gets killed at the end."
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01-25-2013
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#29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zrinkill
Seems to me like this is more setting up Lovie for next year if Jason does not make a win/loss progress this year.
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Why Lovie?
Jerry isn't going to want to pay all these assts plus let Lovie have a staff.
This is really Gruden's job next year imho.
I wouldn't be shocked to see Garrett fired mid-season with Callahan or Kiffin named interim HC.
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01-25-2013
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#30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jterrell
Why Lovie?
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This would probably be the staff he would pick if given the choice.
He has ties to Kiffin and Marinelli.
victory is ours
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