Jay Glazer says Jerry is "stripping power" from Garrett

[junk]

Originally Posted by theogt

Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys when you were just shy of puberty. He has been running an NFL team ever since, around some of the most talented coaches, scouts and players to ever be involved in the game. The idea that he is not a "football guy" had merit in the 1990s -- at least the early part thereof. You're simply 20 years late. He may be stupid. He may be egotistical. But he learned more about football before the turn of the century than you'll hope to learn in a lifetime. Stop exhaling whatever hot air some worthless radio personality breathed into your skull.

"Football guy" is such an ambiguous term.

However, the personnel guy that shapes the roster, whatever title you want to bestow him, does come with a certain set of skills that are refined on a pretty specific career path. If you look around the league at the best front offices, you see a pretty clear trend.....most are being led by guys who have worked their way up the scouting ranks.....often under already experienced, established NFL personnel men. The one exception being Belichick although he also has a very unique background and has spawned a tree of NFL front office personnel himself.

That's the one thing that Jerry is missing. He's never been a scout. He's never worked his way up the ranks scouting players, having his rankings discussed, evaluated and critiqued by peers and superiors. He's never refined that technique that would make him well qualified to lead a personnel department. As a result, he also can't critique, evaluate and discuss players with his scouts......or really even evaluate the job that they are doing.

Neither has the Cowboys Director of Player Personnel. Neither has the director of pro scouting.

Has nothing to do with what the media says.....it is simply observing what the Cowboys do versus what the rest of the successful teams in the league do.

[Apollo Creed]

Originally Posted by junk

"Football guy" is such an ambiguous term.

However, the personnel guy that shapes the roster, whatever title you want to bestow him, does come with a certain set of skills that are refined on a pretty specific career path. If you look around the league at the best front offices, you see a pretty clear trend.....most are being led by guys who have worked their way up the scouting ranks.....often under already experienced, established NFL personnel men. The one exception being Belichick although he also has a very unique background and has spawned a tree of NFL front office personnel himself.

[View Full Quote]That's the one thing that Jerry is missing. He's never been a scout. He's never worked his way up the ranks scouting players, having his rankings discussed, evaluated and critiqued by peers and superiors. He's never refined that technique that would make him well qualified to lead a personnel department. As a result, he also can't critique, evaluate and discuss players with his scouts......or really even evaluate the job that they are doing.

Neither has the Cowboys Director of Player Personnel. Neither has the director of pro scouting.

Has nothing to do with what the media says.....it is simply observing what the Cowboys do versus what the rest of the successful teams in the league do.

He makes it seem like managing a football team is quantum physics of something.

Granted the cap situations can be a tad confusing, but not many GMs really manage every team's nickel - they just delegate the majority of responsibility amongst his staff.

He merely surrounds himself with informed, experienced, and skilled professionals and submit him input - where he can merely be the final decision maker.

Scouting, draft boards, free agency, roster management, CBAs, contract negotiations, etc - can't be that difficult, in fact I'd say it's probably a lot easier than over half of the upper level executive positions for fortune 500 companies.

So to just suggest that Jerry has become a great football mind simply by osmosis is ridiculous, I'm certain he's absorbed a lot - but it never really translates that way when he opens his mouth.

[Woods]

After 3 sub-par seasons, things had to change at VR.

JJ is obviously not going to sell the team.

Frankly said, if you look at the changes on the defensive side, imo, the coaches we have brought on are better than the guys who were here. Well, at least they have more skins on the wall. There is no denying that.

I don't know if they have enough quality players. But we're about to find out.

As for the offense, imo, the main problem is the lack of consistent play for several years from the OL. That makes the play calling and offense more one dimensional than it should be.

I really don't think it matters who the play caller is on the team. Unless you can protect the QB, open up a few running holes, etc. you are often going to be inconsistent over the years.

[rickjameschinaclub]

1. How many Cowboy players are in the Pro Bowl? People seem to miss this reality. I don't see Tony Romo playing at the Pro Bowl. Dez Bryant isn't there. Murray, nope... Is Witten even there?
2. Gaining respect over how one handles a Josh Brent situation and how one coaches a team are two totally different things... And if it took this long to gain respect, what does that mean was happening before?

[hutch1254]

You can look at the coaching changes in two ways. One is "stripping power from Garrett" the other is "surrounding Garrett with the tools to succeed."

I'm stuck in between these two thoughts. While I do think JJ is giving JG the chance to succeed by surrounding him with what he feels are better coaches at various positions I can't help but lean on past track record of JJ and that word we will always associate with him...."meddling."

To me it's funny. JJ is handling the coaching staff like he handles the roster. Building in reverse. Adding coaches and MAYBE telling JG this is who you HAVE to work with. But of course there will that press statement..."Jason and Stephen and I along with many others come to a decision and conclusion together."

How the coaching staff has been assembled in the recent weeks feels very much like how JJ chooses the players. He starts building by selecting positions that are furthest away from the ball. His shiny new toy positions he likes. That is so backwards to me. The impact positions in the league are those closest to the ball, OL, DL, QB. What is going to happen when the new coaching staff that has been put into place doesn't overcome the lack of talent given to the positions closest to the ball? Red gets fired.

If you're in the camp that JJ is "surrounding Garrett with the tools to succeed" then it has to be more than just the coaching staff pieces. JJ has to surround Red with better pieces closest to the ball too. I guess we will see if that begins to happen come April.

[rickjameschinaclub]

I thought Jason Garrett was changing the culture himself to allow this team to succeed... Now, he needs other people to do it for him?

[Wood]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE WING

I post this because A.) I agree and B.) I believe Glazer to be the best "insider" in the business. He's tight with so many NFL players and I can't remember the last story this guy missed on.

He was on the "Petros and Money" radio show in Fox Sports Radio tonight. They asked him about the moves and he said Jerry is stripping power from Garrett with the coaching moves he's made and that Cowboys players in Hawaii at the Pro Bowl are wondering what's going on. Also said people he's talked to in the NFL are confused by the Kiffin hire.

[View Full Quote]Before Glazer is branded as a "hater", he actually said in this interview that he thought the team was headed in the right direction under Garrett. He said all the players he's talked to said he gained a lot of respect with how he guided the team through the Josh Brent debacle. I believe his exact quote was that he "they had something good going on there" before Jerry intervened. He said he'd rather have Garrett calling plays than Bill Callahan.

Just passing the info along.

don't try to rationalize what Jerry is doing. He is in manic bi-polar phase and not being medicated. You will drive yourself nuts trying to make sense of it.

[Reality]

Originally Posted by Woods

After 3 sub-par seasons, things had to change at VR.

JJ is obviously not going to sell the team.

Frankly said, if you look at the changes on the defensive side, imo, the coaches we have brought on are better than the guys who were here. Well, at least they have more skins on the wall. There is no denying that.

I don't know if they have enough quality players. But we're about to find out.

As for the offense, imo, the main problem is the lack of consistent play for several years from the OL. That makes the play calling and offense more one dimensional than it should be.

I really don't think it matters who the play caller is on the team. Unless you can protect the QB, open up a few running holes, etc. you are often going to be inconsistent over the years.

Well said!

/reality

[Woods]

Originally Posted by hutch1254

You can look at the coaching changes in two ways. One is "stripping power from Garrett" the other is "surrounding Garrett with the tools to succeed."

I'm stuck in between these two thoughts. While I do think JJ is giving JG the chance to succeed by surrounding him with what he feels are better coaches at various positions I can't help but lean on past track record of JJ and that word we will always associate with him...."meddling."

To me it's funny. JJ is handling the coaching staff like he handles the roster. Building in reverse. Adding coaches and MAYBE telling JG this is who you HAVE to work with. But of course there will that press statement..."Jason and Stephen and I along with many others come to a decision and conclusion together."

[View Full Quote]How the coaching staff has been assembled in the recent weeks feels very much like how JJ chooses the players. He starts building by selecting positions that are furthest away from the ball. His shiny new toy positions he likes. That is so backwards to me. The impact positions in the league are those closest to the ball, OL, DL, QB. What is going to happen when the new coaching staff that has been put into place doesn't overcome the lack of talent given to the positions closest to the ball? Red gets fired.

If you're in the camp that JJ is "surrounding Garrett with the tools to succeed" then it has to be more than just the coaching staff pieces. JJ has to surround Red with better pieces closest to the ball too. I guess we will see if that begins to happen come April.

IMO, and really it is only an opinion, because I obviously have no insight into the workings at VR . . . . I think JJ really wants Garrett to succeed. And I think Garrett wants to succeed coaching the Cowboys. He and his family have a good history with the organization.

The status quo isn't good enough. JJ clearly recognizes that. Garrett also knows 8-8 seasons aren't going to cut it. From Garrett's perspective and JJ's perspective, you have to give it your best shot next year.

You have to do what is necessary, as difficult as those changes will be. JJ recognizes that if Garrett doesn't get the job done in 2013, it will be difficult to rationalize keeping Garrett on - even if he wants to. And Garrett knows that another average season is pretty much close to the end.

If that means sitting down and discussing everything from type of defensive scheme on defense to offensive play caller, so be it - as uncomfortable as those discussions may be.

[RW Hitman]

doesn't really matter what side of the fence you sit on, the truth is this: Garrett is not getting it done. period. this is the fact I believe most football people understand as fact.

so the only two options available to jerry is these:

1. Fire JG and hire a new HC
2. Keep JG, but put him in a position to where he can be HC without being distracted with other duties like playcalling, where most other headcoaches in the NFL do not have to worry about (and those other coaches were never considered to be "stripped of power")

Both of these options would for surely include entirely new staff members or atleast a nice size shakeup.

Jerry being Jerry is nothing new, and this year is not any different then 3 years ago when he made JG Head coach. Did anyone really think JG had full autonomy then? same now

[RW Hitman]

Originally Posted by rickjameschinaclub

I thought Jason Garrett was changing the culture himself to allow this team to succeed... Now, he needs other people to do it for him?

no Jason needs fired, but Jerry is being merciful. We will see how it works out now that Jason can concentrate on just being a headcoach

[hutch1254]

Originally Posted by Woods

IMO, and really it is only an opinion, because I obviously have no insight into the workings at VR . . . . I think JJ really wants Garrett to succeed. And I think Garrett wants to succeed coaching the Cowboys. He and his family have a good history with the organization.

The status quo isn't good enough. JJ clearly recognizes that. Garrett also knows 8-8 seasons aren't going to cut it. From Garrett's perspective and JJ's perspective, you have to give it your best shot next year.

You have to do what is necessary, as difficult as those changes will be. JJ recognizes that if Garrett doesn't get the job done in 2013, it will be difficult to rationalize keeping Garrett on - even if he wants to. And Garrett knows that another average season is pretty much close to the end.

[View Full Quote]If that means sitting down and discussing everything from type of defensive scheme on defense to offensive play caller, so be it - as uncomfortable as those discussions may be.

Nice response post. Thanks. I can't disagree with it, not that I'm looking to. JJ wants Red to succeed of course...he hand picked him, paid him extra to stay as an OC. JJ wants this to succeed because if Red does, JJ does. While I don't really have too many issues with who JJ has chosen at the coaching positions in recent weeks I need to see the choices he makes with the roster in the coming months. If he truly wants Red to succeed he'll ensure that "impact players" are in the trenches. Not at WR and CB as done previously. This will give the new coaches a chance to succeed as well and snowball from there.

[cml750]

Originally Posted by RW Hitman

doesn't really matter what side of the fence you sit on, the truth is this: Garrett is not getting it done. period. this is the fact I believe most football people understand as fact.

so the only two options available to jerry is these:

1. Fire JG and hire a new HC
2. Keep JG, but put him in a position to where he can be HC without being distracted with other duties like playcalling, where most other headcoaches in the NFL do not have to worry about (and those other coaches were never considered to be "stripped of power")

Both of these options would for surely include entirely new staff members or atleast a nice size shakeup.

Jerry being Jerry is nothing new, and this year is not any different then 3 years ago when he made JG Head coach. Did anyone really think JG had full autonomy then? same now

Excellent post and I agree 100%!!!

[DOUBLE WING]

Originally Posted by dadymat

Jones was a star running back at North Little Rock HS ,

He was a co-captain of the 1964 National Championship football team.

He was an all-SW Conf O lineman

24 years experience in NFL as GM

3 SB wins

13 seasons with Playoff appearance

8 NFCE champs


now give me the list of GMs with better resumes....and see if you can respond without saying "17 years and counting" or "Jimmy did it"

The guy you just described... JERRY SAID HE WOULD FIRE HIM.

And I love how you end the post asking us to ignore the last 17 years of mediocrity as if it didn't happen. That's rich.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by junk

"Football guy" is such an ambiguous term.

However, the personnel guy that shapes the roster, whatever title you want to bestow him, does come with a certain set of skills that are refined on a pretty specific career path. If you look around the league at the best front offices, you see a pretty clear trend.....most are being led by guys who have worked their way up the scouting ranks.....often under already experienced, established NFL personnel men. The one exception being Belichick although he also has a very unique background and has spawned a tree of NFL front office personnel himself.

[View Full Quote]That's the one thing that Jerry is missing. He's never been a scout. He's never worked his way up the ranks scouting players, having his rankings discussed, evaluated and critiqued by peers and superiors. He's never refined that technique that would make him well qualified to lead a personnel department. As a result, he also can't critique, evaluate and discuss players with his scouts......or really even evaluate the job that they are doing.

Neither has the Cowboys Director of Player Personnel. Neither has the director of pro scouting.

Has nothing to do with what the media says.....it is simply observing what the Cowboys do versus what the rest of the successful teams in the league do.

Thats a great articulate post of the biggest core issue...thanks.