The Biggest Pro Bowl Snub of All Time?

[Galian Beast]

Originally Posted by percyhoward

You're referring to fan voting, which only counts for 1/3 of the vote, and which went on until Dec. 17 anyway.

Then there's the other 2/3 of the vote: coaches and players, and that took place on one day -- Dec. 20.

Right, and you have to understand that Dez wouldn't have gotten much of any fan support at all.

He probably won out among many players, but I think he probably wouldn't have done great with coaches.

You also have to consider our competition at the end of the season.

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by percyhoward

Defensive players are the only players who could have voted for Dez. Defense votes for offense, and vice-versa.

Okay with that said...

He faced 13 defenses. Lets say 70% of them voted for Dez. That does not in any way skew the perception of the other teams around the league who only watched highlights.

Same goes for Romo...right ?

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by pancakeman

What numbers would he have to have put up for you to think that the team took advantage of his talent?

It's not the always numbers. It's the wins. The impact, the leadership.
Aikman was a leader, he was not the best as far as overall numbers, but he led his team along with Irvin (Emmitt was just behind them to me).

They won games. They motivated. They at times dominated.

What was it that Parcells says about your record ?

[percyhoward]

Originally Posted by Galian Beast

Right, and you have to understand that Dez wouldn't have gotten much of any fan support at all.

He probably won out among many players, but I think he probably wouldn't have done great with coaches.

You also have to consider our competition at the end of the season.

I realize you think there's nothing unusual here, but the point already made was that he was obviously no higher than the seventh-highest vote-getter in the conference, and that such a snub is unprecedented at this position.

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

It's not the always numbers. It's the wins. The impact, the leadership.
Aikman was a leader, he was not the best as far as overall numbers, but he led his team along with Irvin (Emmitt was just behind them to me).

They won games. They motivated. They at times dominated.

What was it that Parcells says about your record ?

One has to wonder if you used this same philosophy when Art Monk was not being promoted to the Hall of Fame?

[percyhoward]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

Okay with that said...

He faced 13 defenses. Lets say 70% of them voted for Dez. That does not in any way skew the perception of the other teams around the league who only watched highlights.

That obviously didn't factor in any of the previous 53 years, when that kind of season was always Pro Bowl worthy.

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

One has to wonder if you used this same philosophy when Art Monk was not being promoted to the Hall of Fame?

The guy who broke records in his era ?

First player to record a touchdown reception in 15 consecutive seasons.

Consecutive seasons with at least 35 receptions (15)

First player to record over 102+ receptions (106 in 1984) in a season before NFL rules changes prior to the 1990 season that ushered in the "pass happy era". Still only three players in the next nine years collected 100 passes or more and only one (Sterling Sharpe in 1992) surpassed his total.

First player to record over 100+ receptions in the Super Bowl era.

First player to record back to back seasons on 1,200 yards and 90 receptions. 1984, 1985

First NFL player to reach 820 receptions in a career.

First NFL player to surpass 900 career receptions, finishing career with 940 (all-time record at the time).

First player to record at least one reception in 180 consecutive games.

If Dez was breaking records in the first half of this season...he would have made the useless Pro Bowl. Monk went to 3 SB's and was one of the key ingredients.

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by percyhoward

That obviously didn't factor in any of the previous 53 years, when that kind of season was always Pro Bowl worthy.

When did the fans start voting ?

Are you even serious with that response ?

[TwoDeep3]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

The guy who broke records in his era ?

First player to record a touchdown reception in 15 consecutive seasons.

Consecutive seasons with at least 35 receptions (15)

First player to record over 102+ receptions (106 in 1984) in a season before NFL rules changes prior to the 1990 season that ushered in the "pass happy era". Still only three players in the next nine years collected 100 passes or more and only one (Sterling Sharpe in 1992) surpassed his total.

First player to record over 100+ receptions in the Super Bowl era.

First player to record back to back seasons on 1,200 yards and 90 receptions. 1984, 1985

First NFL player to reach 820 receptions in a career.

First NFL player to surpass 900 career receptions, finishing career with 940 (all-time record at the time).

First player to record at least one reception in 180 consecutive games.

[View Full Quote]If Dez was breaking records in the first half of this season...he would have made the useless Pro Bowl. Monk went to 3 SB's and was one of the key ingredients.

15 seasons.

I think that sums it up.

[Woods]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

Serious part of the problem is that the Cowboys (scoring) offense was so terrible in the first half of games.

Everybody scores when the opponent is controlling the game for 3 quarters and start to play prevent.

Don't get me wrong I think he has the (magic word) potential. I am one that feels that he is held back by the team and it could mean in the long run he will not return.

Dez is one of the top WRs in the game (in some aspects)... on a team that can't put it together. You can't blame him entirely for that, but it may be part of the problem.

Potential?

You think he has potential?

He's one of the top 5-8 WRs in the entire league right now. The only WR I'd definitively rather have is Megatron going into the 2013 season.

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by Woods

Potential?

You think he has potential?

He's one of the top 5-8 WRs in the entire league right now. The only WR I'd definitively rather have is Megatron going into the 2013 season.

To be the best. Did I need to add that for you to understand ?

[SkinsandTerps]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

15 seasons.

I think that sums it up.

It does indeed. In that era. 15 seasons and still productive. The season with 1 TD during that span, he was injured and only played 9 games before they shut him down.

But again, it is not always about the numbers.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

It does indeed. In that era. 15 seasons and still productive. The season with 1 TD during that span, he was injured and only played 9 games before they shut him down.

But again, it is not always about the numbers.

I didn't realize that.

We'll mark him down for 2 touchdowns that year then.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by SkinsandTerps

I would say he does leave the team. Yes.
Perhaps to San Fran among one team when that time comes.

I call it like I see it...the team including coaches, and Romo...failed him equally. You have a weapon like that you take advantage of it...even if it is just as a decoy.

And this is certainly not because I am a Redskins fan. That is just your spin...which is towards being simply homer, not open minded or looking at all the variables.

Uh, Tonto....he had 90 plus catches for 1300 plus yards and a dozen touchdowns. In 15 and a half games.

At least try on your end. I'm not carrying this whole conversation.

[Risen Star]

Originally Posted by pancakeman

What numbers would he have to have put up for you to think that the team took advantage of his talent?

Ridiculous isn't it?

If he had a WR on his team putting up those numbers with R2D2 throwing him the football he'd have a new tattoo already.