Keep Your Cat Indoors, For Natures Sake

[TheCount]

What? Alleycat.com disagrees? Impossible.

Someone already made the point that even if the number is half or a third, it's still billions.

The idea that allowing your pet to roam outdoors and perhaps go feral has no impact is silly. Of course they do.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by TheCount

What? Alleycat.com disagrees? Impossible.

Someone already made the point that even if the number is half or a third, it's still billions.

The idea that allowing your pet to roam outdoors and perhaps go feral has no impact is silly. Of course they do.

so you just ignore that the study you love so much had a contributor that liked to poison cats and was discredited.

Not surprising

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

so you just ignore that the study you love so much had a contributor that liked to poison cats and was discredited.

Not surprising

You've clearly confused this with a political thread.

[Faerluna]

Originally Posted by TheCount

You've clearly confused this with a political thread.

No, you're clearly being biased against proven facts. Hate cats all you want, because in my experience there is rarely a change of conviction for one that is clearly against feral cats, but ignoring the facts makes your position weak.

Organizations like ACA are going to be advocates for feral cats in the same way that any organization tries to present the truth and perspective about whatever cause they support.

Just cause you don't happen to believe it doesn't make their position it any less accurate.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by Faerluna

No, you're clearly being biased against proven facts. Hate cats all you want, because in my experience there is rarely a change of conviction for one that is clearly against feral cats, but ignoring the facts makes your position weak.

Organizations like ACA are going to be advocates for feral cats in the same way that any organization tries to present the truth and perspective about whatever cause they support.

Just cause you don't happen to believe it doesn't make their position it any less accurate.

You've confused my position. I'm not anti-cat (but I mean seriously, who is PRO feral cat?), I'm pro responsible pet ownership. There is a difference. I'd say the exact same thing to someone that lets their dog roam the neighborhood.

Ignoring the facts? That's a good one.

The idea that releasing a super predator into an ecosystem that isn't designed to handle it is not a big deal is pure fantasy.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by TheCount

You've confused my position. I'm not anti-cat (but I mean seriously, who is PRO feral cat?), I'm pro responsible pet ownership. There is a difference. I'd say the exact same thing to someone that lets their dog roam the neighborhood.

Ignoring the facts? That's a good one.

The idea that releasing a super predator into an ecosystem that isn't designed to handle it is not a big deal is pure fantasy.

you do realize that calling a common cat a super predator is kind of ridiculous, right?

But then I can see you are getting desperate

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by burmafrd

you do realize that calling a common cat a super predator is kind of ridiculous, right?

But then I can see you are getting desperate

You super predator is simply a predator with no natural predators of its own. Even you, in all your keyboard clacking fury, are technically a super predator. Unless one counts logic and people skills as predators, in which case you'd be in trouble.

[vta]

Originally Posted by TheCount

You've confused my position. I'm not anti-cat (but I mean seriously, who is PRO feral cat?), I'm pro responsible pet ownership. There is a difference. I'd say the exact same thing to someone that lets their dog roam the neighborhood.

Ignoring the facts? That's a good one.

The idea that releasing a super predator into an ecosystem that isn't designed to handle it is not a big deal is pure fantasy.

Cat's are part of the ecosystem. Our decision to make pets of certain animals throughout history doesn't negate that they are natural creatures and we are in fact causing an imbalance in nature by viewing them as our possessions. It's gone on so long that we no longer view them as natural animals.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by vta

Cat's are part of the ecosystem. Our decision to make pets of certain animals throughout history doesn't negate that they are natural creatures and we are in fact causing an imbalance in nature by viewing them as our possessions. It's gone on so long that we no longer view them as natural animals.

I'm not sure what a natural animal is, but being a "natural animal" and being a natural part of an ecosystem are not necessarily the same thing. A boa constrictor is a "natural animal", that doesn't mean it belongs in Central Park.

[Faerluna]

Originally Posted by TheCount

You've confused my position. I'm not anti-cat (but I mean seriously, who is PRO feral cat?), I'm pro responsible pet ownership. There is a difference. I'd say the exact same thing to someone that lets their dog roam the neighborhood.

Ignoring the facts? That's a good one.

The idea that releasing a super predator into an ecosystem that isn't designed to handle it is not a big deal is pure fantasy.

I am pro-feral cat. Obviously. And of course, responsible pet ownership, which goes without saying.

And yes, ignoring the fact that the contributors to the report are people that have been tried and convicted of killing feral cats is willful ignorance of bias. I would hope that the previous statement wouldn't need a restated example to be clear.

[vta]

Originally Posted by TheCount

I'm not sure what a natural animal is, but being a "natural animal" and being a natural part of an ecosystem are not necessarily the same thing. A boa constrictor is a "natural animal", that doesn't mean it belongs in Central Park.

Well transplanting animals into an alien environment isn't the same thing. Cats are indigenous to North America and would have been around regardless of the decision to start using them as pets. Boa's belong in more tropical climates and wouldn't be here if not for people bringing them up here.

[burmafrd]

Originally Posted by TheCount

You super predator is simply a predator with no natural predators of its own. Even you, in all your keyboard clacking fury, are technically a super predator. Unless one counts logic and people skills as predators, in which case you'd be in trouble.

personal insults are the last resort of the feebleminded. You need to find your village- they miss you. Need someone to make fun of.

[TheCount]

Originally Posted by Faerluna

I am pro-feral cat. Obviously. And of course, responsible pet ownership, which goes without saying.

And yes, ignoring the fact that the contributors to the report are people that have been tried and convicted of killing feral cats is willful ignorance of bias. I would hope that the previous statement wouldn't need a restated example to be clear.

I must have missed the part where everyone involved in the report was convicted of killing cats. Even the person you mentioned wasn't convicted of killing cats. You calling me biased is a classic pot meets kettle situation.

Pro feral and pro reponsible pet ownership is the epitome of hypocrisy. It's like being anti legalization of marijuana while keeping a grow house.

[Faerluna]

Originally Posted by TheCount

I must have missed the part where everyone involved in the report was convicted of killing cats. Even the person you mentioned wasn't convicted of killing cats. You calling me biased is a classic pot meets kettle situation.

Pro feral and pro reponsible pet ownership is the epitome of hypocrisy. It's like being anti legalization of marijuana while keeping a grow house.

Oh, poisoning, my sincere apologies. Because she was certainly just trying to give them an upset stomach and had probably never done anything like that before.

And its more like I'm all for responsible parenting, but I'm not going to be against kids in foster homes just because they don't live with their biological parents. It's not the kids fault that their parents were incapable idiots.

Nice try, though. Or something.

[Signals]

Originally Posted by ethiostar

LMAO I had to watch that about 20 times.