Will the 4-3 Tampa 2 take time?

[Arkyvarminter]

I'm just wondering how long, or how many games, will it take before the players are comfortable with it? I know it seemed Rob Ryans scheme was time consuming in terms of learning his system. I guess I'm just hoping this new D won't affect us midway through the season like Rob's did. Also, does anyone know what will happen with the safety position? Will it be addressed through the draft? Thanks

[sureletsrace]

It won't take anywhere near as long as rob ryans defense. The players on defense have played in 43 sets many, many times. The player with the steepest learning curve is luckily our LB Sean Lee, who is probably the most instinctive, cerebral, film junkie player on our team.

Its just going to be a matter of getting the right players in the right spots, which I trust Monte Kiffin to do.

[EJ Blue]

ha I was just about to ask the same thing. I don't want this to be one of those things were people say
"Well the season is over, since the defense only had one year to play under the 4-3, they'll be much more improved in their second year because the installation takes time."

[ykc]

I believe in good coaches can correctly use talent by enforcing their strengths and hiding thier weakness and the also bad coaches misuing the talent.

But with out talent, not coach and scheme can help us. I remember this game when Tony had a monster game against Bucs defense by Monte Kiffin

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=261123006


Also, It is not new scheme to counter the new/current popular offense in NFL, the air attack and read option offense. This defense is in the league for more than 20 years and every offensive coordinate probably knows how to exploit it by now

[Picksix]

Originally Posted by ykc

I believe in good coaches can correctly use talent by enforcing their strengths and hiding thier weakness and the also bad coaches misuing the talent.

But with out talent, not coach and scheme can help us. I remember this game when Tony had a monster game against Bucs defense by Monte Kiffin

http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=261123006


Also, It is not new scheme to counter the new/current popular offense in NFL, the air attack and read option offense. This defense is in the league for more than 20 years and every offensive coordinate probably knows how to exploit it by now

You're right, it doesn't matter what scheme you're running if you don't have the talent to make it work. The 2006 Bucs were a lousy team.

[gimmesix]

Originally Posted by Arkyvarminter

I'm just wondering how long, or how many games, will it take before the players are comfortable with it? I know it seemed Rob Ryans scheme was time consuming in terms of learning his system. I guess I'm just hoping this new D won't affect us midway through the season like Rob's did. Also, does anyone know what will happen with the safety position? Will it be addressed through the draft? Thanks

1) Switching to a 4-3 is easier than switching to a 3-4 because most college teams play a 4-3 variation. Most of our outside linebackers had to convert from 4-3 end, which is difficult.

2) Players who've played for Kiffin have said he keeps things simple, focusing more on fundamentals than complicated play-calling.

[gimmesix]

Originally Posted by ykc

Also, It is not new scheme to counter the new/current popular offense in NFL, the air attack and read option offense. This defense is in the league for more than 20 years and every offensive coordinate probably knows how to exploit it by now

The 4-3 has been around since Tom Landry created it, and offenses have been exploiting the bad versions of it forever and struggling against the good versions of it.

A new version isn't needed to counter new trends. A good version is.

[CyberB0b]

It will take a year or two to get the proper personnel. With that said, the current players should be able to learn the system, as it seems pretty simple to me. The only problem is I think it is easier for the offense to decipher, as well, which means you need to win a lot of individual battles.

That will be tough with our current D-line and Safety situation.

[Chocolate Lab]

Won't take long to learn it, will take longer to get good at it.

[cowboys1981]

IMO the concern should be about discipline in assignments and making open field tackles. I don't think the scheme will be too challenging.

[CowboyMcCoy]

Originally Posted by CyberB0b

It will take a year or two to get the proper personnel. With that said, the current players should be able to learn the system, as it seems pretty simple to me. The only problem is I think it is easier for the offense to decipher, as well, which means you need to win a lot of individual battles.

That will be tough with our current D-line and Safety situation.

It's a process. But at least it's our own process.

[Prossman]

I think we are closer personel wise to Kiffens 4-3 than we were to being able to run ryans 3-4 with losing both NTs . What is encouraging is when ware said that they had put in more defense in 1 day under ryan than in wades entire time here. With the film junkies we have on this team they will know the defense before we get to camp, it's not that complicated.

[HoosierCowboy]

the days of lining up in any standard defense are over--we will run plenty of variations on a theme (the 4-3)-- but it will be simple and allow players to play instinctively and not be paralyzed by having to think all the time (in Ryan's schemes)--tired of seeing guys get burned and then look around like they did not know what happened

[BIGDen]

Originally Posted by sureletsrace

It won't take anywhere near as long as rob ryans defense. The players on defense have played in 43 sets many, many times. The player with the steepest learning curve is luckily our LB Sean Lee, who is probably the most instinctive, cerebral, film junkie player on our team.

Its just going to be a matter of getting the right players in the right spots, which I trust Monte Kiffin to do.

I might be a little optimistic about it, but this is how I see it as well. Rob's defense involved various looks and was constantly trying to confuse the offense. Unfortunately, we were the team that frequently looked confused (9,10, or 12 men on the field and players running wide open from busted coverages). This defense is more straight forward and aggressive. The players need to win their battles and execute. They can't miss tackles and run by the QB or RB. DBs need to be sure tacklers. I like the aggressive mindset of this kind defense up front. For various reasons (injuries, coaching, whatever...) we were not that aggressive with Ryan's defense. I hoped we would be a more attacking 3-4 like Pittsburgh's but that never materialized. IMO, we need at least one good DL addition that creates pressure. He can be a DE or DT, but the guy needs to be able to penetrate the LOS or push the pocket and make the QB uncomfortable. Throw in a couple of upgrades on the OL and I think we'll have a team that will be able to do some damage.

[The Natural]

I'm sure it'll take time to find 2 capable safeties