The Garrett System

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

They've qualified for the playoffs every year that he has been coach there, and they won their division the last two seasons. A missed FG is all that kept them away from the SB last season.

Sure, they were underdogs on the road in a couple games this year, but "unlikely Super Bowl run" is a bit far-fetched.



What's funny here is that in your own senile world, you've actually grouped Garrett and Harbaugh together into the same class.

An actual "good [young] coach" works with the talent that he has and uses it to produce rapid results. That's what we've seen with Payton, Carroll, Fox, both Harbaughs, Frazier, etc.

It doesn't take a half decade to turn it around in the NFL like Garrett-advocates want everyone to believe.

I'm not going to get baited into a debate with you on the topic because you're just trying to be insulting and negative just to get a reaction, but for the record, yes, I think Jason Garret is a good young coach, and no, I don't think it takes a half decade to turn a team around.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by Reality

Since 2008, the Ravens are 16-4 against the Bengals and Browns .. just backing in to the playoffs is not a baseline for quality. I wish the Cowboys could play 4 games like that every year. Even the 8-8 non-playoff Cowboys this year beat both of those teams. Ravens are a good team, but they are by no means an awesome team. The Cowboys almost beat them at their house and would have had our kicker not had one of his only two misses this year at the end. Winning a Super Bowl is always about two things, getting into the playoffs and getting hot at the right time.

/reality

Those meddling kickers




The teams yesterday were in a different class than Dallas. We're not equipped enough in the trenches to make any sort of run in January.

I'm also surprised that any objective Dallas fan who watched that coaching chess match can sit here with a straight face and actually say they are content with Garrett.

[Blitzen32]

Originally Posted by Idgit

I'm not going to get baited into a debate with you on the topic because you're just trying to be insulting and negative just to get a reaction, but for the record, yes, I think Jason Garret is a good young coach, and no, I don't think it takes a half decade to turn a team around.

Sure lets discuss without insults.

We're coming up on 3.5 years of Garrett now, and we still haven't made the playoffs. We've had zero progress over the two seasons if you look strictly at records. I was told that Garrett needed a full offseason to get it organized, and now that he finished 8-8 again, I am being told that he needs players x, y, z, etc to make it all work.

Meanwhile, both of these Harbaughs inherited teams that were below .500 and they immediately got the respective teams back into the playoffs within one season. That seems like textbook type #1 vs. type #2 coaching examples to me.

At the very least, I don't understand how you can put Garrett into the same class as either Harbaugh. This is a results-oriented league, and only one of those 3 coaches has yet to yield any fruit (division title, playoff win, conference title, SB title, etc).

It seems as though Garrett advocates have very little to go on other than hope and berating/undervaluing actual successful coaches.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Reality

Harbaugh's Ravens are 16-4 against the pathetic Bengals and Browns during that period. I wish the Cowboys could play a soft division schedule like they do each year. Pittsburgh is their only competition in that division every year.

/reality

Since Harbaugh took over, the AFC North has 165 wins, 11 playoff berths, 4 conference championship game appearances, 2 super bowl championships and a runner up.

In the same time span, the NFC East has 165 wins, 7 playoff berths, 2 conference championship game appearances and 1 super bowl championship (no runner ups).

The equal number of wins speaks to the fact that, while the Browns are perennially awful, the rest of the division (Pitt and Bmore) are solid enough consistently that the division wins as much as anyone. Their success in the playoffs is basically unmatched in the NFL. The only thing the East has over the North is parity, where any of the 4 teams are capable of winning it every season (they're all pretty "pathetic").

The funny thing to me is, if we HAD been unfortunate enough to play in the AFC North for the past five years, we probably would have been sitting with the basement-dwelling Browns, wishing we could play in a crappy division like the NFC East that is basically up for grabs every year, instead of the North where you are battling from behind to try and catch Pitt/Bmore every season.

[Wolfpack]

Originally Posted by superpunk

The funny thing to me is, if we HAD been unfortunate enough to play in the AFC North for the past five years, we probably would have been sitting with the basement-dwelling Browns, wishing we could play in a crappy division like the NFC East that is basically up for grabs every year, instead of the North where you are battling from behind to try and catch Pitt/Bmore every season.

Ouch.

Its a long road from the days of Dallas always being in the hunt. Every one is happy the team didnt quit this year or that at least its not 5-11 again. Horrid for one the NFL's iconic teams thats been reduced to a .500 club under the management of the Jones family.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Sure lets discuss without insults.

We're coming up on 3.5 years of Garrett now, and we still haven't made the playoffs. We've had zero progress over the two seasons if you look strictly at records. I was told that Garrett needed a full offseason to get it organized, and now that he finished 8-8 again, I am being told that he needs players x, y, z, etc to make it all work.

Meanwhile, both of these Harbaughs inherited teams that were below .500 and they immediately got the respective teams back into the playoffs within one season. That seems like textbook type #1 vs. type #2 coaching examples to me.

At the very least, I don't understand how you can put Garrett into the same class as either Harbaugh. This is a results-oriented league, and only one of those 3 coaches has yet to yield any fruit (division title, playoff win, conference title, SB title, etc).

[View Full Quote]It seems as though Garrett advocates have very little to go on other than hope and berating/undervaluing actual successful coaches.

I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. It's not that I don't want to go back and forth with you because you were being insulting, though you were. I don't want to go back and forth with you because I think you're just here to bait on a topic rather than to discuss the team sincerely, and I don't particularly like your tone as a poster or the fact that you rely on disingenuous arguments (eg, 'we're coming up on 3 and a half years of Garrett') in order to try to get a reaction.

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack

Ouch.

Its a long road from the days of Dallas always being in the hunt. Every one is happy the team didnt quit this year or that at least its not 5-11 again. Horrid for one the NFL's iconic teams thats been reduced to a .500 club under the management of the Jones family.

It's bad man. The Cowboys are awful, the East is awful, we're a long way from the glory days and we just had to watch Ray Lewis fake cry for a month. At least we have great forums like this one to vent on!

Originally Posted by Idgit

I'm sorry, I should have been clearer. It's not that I don't want to go back and forth with you because you were being insulting, though you were. I don't want to go back and forth with you because I think you're just here to bait on a topic rather than to discuss the team sincerely, and I don't particularly like your tone as a poster or the fact that you rely on disingenuous arguments (eg, 'we're coming up on 3 and a half years of Garrett') in order to try to get a reaction.

Might have been easier to ignore him, rather than write a paragraph to psychoanalyze/insult him.

#justsayin
#hashtag
#aliciakeysisawful

[Fletch]

Year three of The Process! I think this will be a really good year. I really do.

[weaver21]

Originally Posted by superpunk

It's bad man. The Cowboys are awful, the East is awful, we're a long way from the glory days and we just had to watch Ray Lewis fake cry for a month. At least we have great forums like this one to vent on!

Might have been easier to ignore him, rather than write a paragraph to psychoanalyze/insult him.

#justsayin
#hashtag
#aliciakeysisawful

The Cowboys aren't awful. You wanna see awful? Watch a damn Jaguars game. Or watch a Chiefs game or Browns game ... that's awful.

[junk]

Originally Posted by Reality

Winning a Super Bowl is always about two things, getting into the playoffs and getting hot at the right time.

/reality

Uh, no. No one tries to build a Super Bowl winner by backing into the playoffs and getting "hot". Well, at least not good teams

You do it by having good talent and good coaching. You get that by having a strong organization with a long term vision. That is where Dallas is lacking right now

[superpunk]

Originally Posted by weaver21

The Cowboys aren't awful. You wanna see awful? Watch a damn Jaguars game. Or watch a Chiefs game or Browns game ... that's awful.

idk

I think the absolute worst place to be in sports is in the middle. Ultimately you're in the same boat as the Jags, Chiefs and Ravens, only you're stuck in the middle of the draft hoping your team doesn't draft the next Bobby Carpenter or Felix Jones.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by superpunk

Might have been easier to ignore him, rather than write a paragraph to psychoanalyze/insult him.

#justsayin
#hashtag
#aliciakeysisawful

Might have. I decided not to.

But I don't consider it insulting for me to tell him to his face that I think he's trying to bait the community and that I don't think he's sincere. It's my honest take, and I want him to know why I'm choosing not to engage with him if he quotes me so it's not lost in a gray area of bad arguments and stretched truth otherwise.

He's a big boy, he can handle my honest opinion. That's what message boards are for, right? That and all the funny hashtag-jokes.

[Idgit]

Originally Posted by Blitzen32

Pot meet kettle.

Coming from a guy who just grouped Garrett into the same class as the Harbaugh brothers in terms of "good young head coaches", I'd say a little introspection would be merited here.

Carry on with the condescending tone though. It's entertaining, and I'm sure you are quite proud of your accomplishments as a message board poster. Bravo.

Not everybody has to like each other, Bitzen. They just should try to be civil.

I don't take a lot of pride in message board posts, because they're anonymous. Sometimes I might crack myself up, but that's pretty rare. Thanks for asking.

I just don't want to engage when I don't think the other guy is sincere. I'm sure you can understand that. At the same time, you've got the right to post whatever opinions you care to share as long as you stay within the guidelines, which you more or less do. So, knock yourself out.

[Reality]

Originally Posted by junk

Uh, no. No one tries to build a Super Bowl winner by backing into the playoffs and getting "hot". Well, at least not good teams

You do it by having good talent and good coaching. You get that by having a strong organization with a long term vision. That is where Dallas is lacking right now

I never said teams build a team around getting hot in the playoffs. I said teams that win the Super Bowl in recent years tend to be teams that get hot in the playoffs. Denver beat the Ravens 34-17 AT Baltimore, then lost to a hot Ravens team in the playoffs at Denver. The Redskins beat the Ravens and the Cowboys almost beat the Ravens.

You cannot say that the Ravens team that played in Denver, New England and last night in the Super Bowl were the same team the Cowboys played. The Ravens got hot and had the Cowboys played the Ravens in the last 2-3 weeks, I doubt very seriously you would have seen a close game. The Giants got hot last year in the post-season and surprised the 49ers and Patriots. That's just the way it is lately.

/reality

[Reality]

Originally Posted by superpunk

idk

I think the absolute worst place to be in sports is in the middle. Ultimately you're in the same boat as the Jags, Chiefs and Ravens, only you're stuck in the middle of the draft hoping your team doesn't draft the next Bobby Carpenter or Felix Jones.

Part of me agrees with you, but I still cannot get those nightmare Campo years out of my head. I had very little optimism during his head coaching reign and while I am not completely happy with the team right now, I never ever want to go through the Campo years again.

/reality