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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Gemini Dolly
You cant win with a quarterback that is a turnover terrier. You just cant.
You cant trust Tony to play a stretch of football like Flacco just had. He will eff up somewhere. Thats just Tony.
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I believe Tony did play a stretch similar to Flacco's last year, didn't he? Albeit, it wasn't in the post season, obviously, then then nobody else not named 'Montana' has ever had a postseason stretch like Flacco just had, either.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Idgit
I believe Tony did play a stretch similar to Flacco's last year, didn't he? Albeit, it wasn't in the post season, obviously, then then nobody else not named 'Montana' has ever had a postseason stretch like Flacco just had, either.
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Eli had a good run last year. Not quite as good as Flacco's but worth noting.
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Idgit
I believe Tony did play a stretch similar to Flacco's last year, didn't he? Albeit, it wasn't in the post season, obviously, then then nobody else not named 'Montana' has ever had a postseason stretch like Flacco just had, either.
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He had a stretch in 2009 that was 4 games without an INT. Don't know about fumbles.
Technically he had a stretch of 4 games last year but one of those games was the Philly game where he sat out after the early injury to his hand. The frontside of that stretch was the Arizona game in which the offense didn't really do anything.
Flacco's playoff stretch is honestly one of the more impressive stretches I've seen. Even though I think there's luck involved in runs like that, I gotta hand it to him.
In general, I agree with the sentiment that Romo turns it over too much to a certain extent. I think a lot of it is trying to do too much.
I think if the team took some of the pressure off him you'd see those numbers go down. He has the ability to limit them, he did so in 2009 and 2011. He also just has a propensity to put up a bunch.
I think Dallas needs to get serious about trying to get the OL in shape so they can find a running game and prevent further injury. I think the team has been fortunate thus far in that none of the injuries have been concussions because a guy who has all he could ever ask for in life might not be willing to risk it at some point.
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
...I think if the team took some of the pressure off him you'd see those numbers go down. He has the ability to limit them, he did so in 2009 and 2011. He also just has a propensity to put up a bunch.
I think Dallas needs to get serious about trying to get the OL in shape so they can find a running game and prevent further injury. I think the team has been fortunate thus far in that none of the injuries have been concussions because a guy who has all he could ever ask for in life might not be willing to risk it at some point.
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I agree. The OL is the obvious area for improvement on offense this offseason. A veteran OT, a high pick on an interior player, and a blocking TE to replace Phillips in the rotation.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Idgit
I believe Tony did play a stretch similar to Flacco's last year, didn't he? Albeit, it wasn't in the post season, obviously, then then nobody else not named 'Montana' has ever had a postseason stretch like Flacco just had, either.
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Eli
Brady(2nd champ)
Troy Aikman(92-95)
Warner
Rodgers
Romo showed you his true competitive character up there in Washington.
At the moment of truth, he couldn't even complete sixty percent of his passes(something he did an just about every other game this season), how do you expect him to handle the pressure of the Deep Playoffs/Superbowl stage?He's incapable of handling big stages.He's the Vince Carter of the NFL:Exceptionally talented, but too flawed to take serious.And I say that as Vince Carter's biggest/only fan!
Last edited by Gameover : 02-05-2013 at 01:25 AM.
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Gameover
Eli
Brady
Troy Aikman(92-95)
Werner
Rodgers
Romo showed you his true competitve character up there in Washington.
At the moment of truth, he couldn't even complete sixty percent of his passes(something he did an just about every other game this season), how do you expect him to handle the pressure of the Deep Playoffs/Superbowl stage?He's incapable of handling big stages.He's the Vince Carter of the NFL:Eceptionally talented, but too flawed to take serious.And I say that as Vince Carter's biggest fan!
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Romo had a really bad game in WAS. I think we all know that, don't we?
None of those players you named, though, ever had a post season like Flacco just did when it comes to 11 TDs and 0 INTs. Montana's the only one who ever matched it, though he did it in fewer games.
And, I know that's your schtick, saying things that aren't accurate, but, who's Werner?
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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02-05-2013
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#52
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Originally Posted by Idgit
And, I know that's your schtick, saying things that aren't accurate?
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You serious?
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02-05-2013
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#53
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Originally Posted by Idgit
I agree. The OL is the obvious area for improvement on offense this offseason. A veteran OT, a high pick on an interior player, and a blocking TE to replace Phillips in the rotation.
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I'd rather see more 3 WR sets and actual solid FB play. I just don't care for the "blocking TE", at least not in the sense that we have seen in Dallas where that guy is essentially a 6th OL. Why try to hide it, just put one of your OTs out there and get even better blocking.
I hope Hannah can develop because the entire point of having 2 TEs out there is that both can block or run routes on any given play, making the defense account for both. As Bennett was utilized, teams could basically count on him blocking. I think I looked a while back and he was credited for like 10 routes per game his last season. Odds are you could put old Keith Brooking on him and not even really have to sweat the consequences because he's only going out on passing patterns 2-3 times per quarter and is undoubtedly the 4th option at best.
I think Dallas needs to focus on creating mismatches with that player and with the backs coming out of the backfield. Design plays specifically for them, even if they are of modest gain just to make the defense account for him. There was a Bronco's game earlier in the season where Peyton had the defense in the palm of his hand. I've referenced this game before but he literally got to the line, identified his matchup and immediately threw a quick screen to almost every receiving option on the field in the span of a single series. WRs, TEs, everyone was in on it. Just chunk after chunk after chunk.
I'd like to see Dallas get more options involved. You get a couple of solid swing passes to the backs and defenses have to adjust or else they look like Dallas has for the last few years in that they constantly give up good yardage on these simple passing plays. Remember the Saints game where they basically threw it to their FB whenever they were close to the GL? I think he scored like 3 times that game.
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
I'd rather see more 3 WR sets and actual solid FB play. I just don't care for the "blocking TE", at least not in the sense that we have seen in Dallas where that guy is essentially a 6th OL. Why try to hide it, just put one of your OTs out there and get even better blocking.
I hope Hannah can develop because the entire point of having 2 TEs out there is that both can block or run routes on any given play, making the defense account for both. As Bennett was utilized, teams could basically count on him blocking. I think I looked a while back and he was credited for like 10 routes per game his last season. Odds are you could put old Keith Brooking on him and not even really have to sweat the consequences because he's only going out on passing patterns 2-3 times per quarter and is undoubtedly the 4th option at best.
[View Full Quote]I think Dallas needs to focus on creating mismatches with that player and with the backs coming out of the backfield. Design plays specifically for them, even if they are of modest gain just to make the defense account for him. There was a Bronco's game earlier in the season where Peyton had the defense in the palm of his hand. I've referenced this game before but he literally got to the line, identified his matchup and immediately threw a quick screen to almost every receiving option on the field in the span of a single series. WRs, TEs, everyone was in on it. Just chunk after chunk after chunk.
I'd like to see Dallas get more options involved. You get a couple of solid swing passes to the backs and defenses have to adjust or else they look like Dallas has for the last few years in that they constantly give up good yardage on these simple passing plays. Remember the Saints game where they basically threw it to their FB whenever they were close to the GL? I think he scored like 3 times that game.
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I think we do both. Hannah is going to develop, and he deserves more looks in the passing game. I do think we replace Phillips' spot with at TE who can in-line block when we need him.
We also need and should look for a change of pace back who catches well, and a WR who can stretch the defense if we're able to give Tony enough time to let it get stretched. That's do wonders for Dez and Miles on crossing routes, and for the TEs and for Murray out of the backfield.
That Saints game is a great example. Their WRs demanded coverage and we just had nobody who could cover Sproles. That matchup alone ate our lunch for us.
We've got a lot of tweaking to do offensively, but a lot of the parts (the QB, two big, fast WRs, the TEs) are already there. The player we need to add are either going to be available in the draft (OG, RB), or reasonable veteran FAs (OT, WR, TE). We've just got to avoid sinking a lot of picks into the defense as we switch over to the 4-3 under.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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02-05-2013
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#55
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Originally Posted by Gameover
You serious?
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You should be the last person be talking about being serious. You suggested Kyle Orton would've went 10-6 with this team which is one of the stupidest things I've heard on here since I joined this board.
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02-05-2013
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Please, don't no one here mention romo in the same breath as Flacco or kaepernick or the term Super Bowl.
romo half to quit choking and win a playoff game before he can be mentioned with the big boys of the NFL.
"We are not descended from fearful men."
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02-05-2013
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Romo with a competent O-line is an unknown.
If you are a math student, and generally numbers operate with no emotions, then you should not bet on Romo to go on a critical run (playoff/ SB)
One and six in win or go home games. The math is irrefuteable.
Romo isnt close to a Flacco right now.
The terrible irony of it all is that by the time this O-line is special, Romo wil have retired and a new drafted QB with terrific skills will guide us to a SB.
Then youll have that debate for the next 100 years about how Romo couldnt get it done, bla bla bla.
Doc
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Idgit
I believe Tony did play a stretch similar to Flacco's last year, didn't he? .
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Of course he did.
He extrememly capable of getting on a roll--even with a turnstile of a line.
His 1st half of the season was disappointing this year though.
But up until this year in the playoffs, Romo's limited playoff stats (as bad as they may seem) showed he had a better playoff QB rating and a better TD:int ratio than Flacco.
Until this year, one could have very easily have said the EXACT same thing about Flacco as GD just said about Tony.
These folks have no perspective whatsoever.
Flacco was outstanding this year though. No denying it.
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by Idgit
I believe Tony did play a stretch similar to Flacco's last year, didn't he? Albeit, it wasn't in the post season
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Right, it wasn't in the post season so how much does it really matter? It is clear as day that Romo freaks out when the pressure is high. Look no further than the Washington game which had a playoff attmosphere. He was playing fine up until that game and then bam... meltdown. It wasn't the Olines fault, the defense, the coaching, or the GM. Just Tony getting the butterflies.
What is amazing about Flacco's stretch is it was against some extremely good teams and arguably the best defensive team in the superbowl.
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02-05-2013
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Originally Posted by ufcrules1
Right, it wasn't in the post season so how much does it really matter? It is clear as day that Romo freaks out when the pressure is high. Look no further than the Washington game which had a playoff attmosphere. He was playing fine up until that game and then bam... meltdown. It wasn't the Olines fault, the defense, the coaching, or the GM. Just Tony getting the butterflies.
What is amazing about Flacco's stretch is it was against some extremely good teams and arguably the best defensive team in the superbowl.
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Are you kidding me? The o-line, as usual, was pathetic against Washington, the defense gave up near 300 freakin' yards rushing and got beat by a quarterback who was playing on one leg. Our Ivy League coach refused to call any screen plays to off-set all the 6/7 man blitzes Washington was sending every 3rd down. Tony may have been having a bad game, but there is no way he's the sole reason we lost. Take off your hater glasses and see the whole picture man. Risen Star said it best in the other thread ... there is no quarterback in this league who can win with what Romo is given ... no one. A pathetic o-line, a stupid coach and a senile owner and GM. Your whole idea of thinking someone like Kaepernick or Wilson could win with us is foolish.
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