QB ranking by tier including Romo

[Super_Kazuya]

Originally Posted by KJJ

That's not what's considered an "elimination game." It's clear you don't understand what the term means. A loss that eliminates you but not your opponent is not an elimination game. For a game to be an elimination game it has to be like a playoff game where it's do or die for both teams and the loser stays home.

The reason I don't understand is because you made it up. It's not an official definition because its not a "real" concept. Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean but don't act like its anything but what it is: a made up term by the media devised specifically to attack Romo.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

But why is Romo's week 17 loss worse than Eli's week 16 season ending loss?

Romo's week 17 loss was worse because it was a primetime game with the division title on the line for both teams. It was worse because Romo doesn't have 2 SB rings and an 8-3 playoff record like Eli. I could go on and on why Romo's week 17 loss was worse than Eli's week 16 loss.

[Super_Kazuya]

Originally Posted by KJJ

Romo's week 17 loss was worse because it was a primetime game with the division title on the line for both teams. It was worse because Romo doesn't have 2 SB rings and an 8-3 playoff record like Eli. I could go on and on why Romo's week 17 loss was worse than Eli's week 16 loss.

LOL. Prime time? Are you serious? Mind is blown...

So let me see if I understand elimination games. Two hypotheticals.

QB A plays a road game in Week 17 which the final wild card is up for both teams. QB A plays well, but they lose and the opponent sails into the playoffs. QB gets an elimination loss.

QB B plays a home game in week 17 where a win gets them in the playoffs, but their opponent is 4-11 and making golf plans. QB has an off game with 3 picks, leading them to a defeat. QB B does not get an elimination loss because their opponent was not under "pressure".

Did I sum up this mind-bogglingly stupid concept correctly?

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

The reason I don't understand is because you made it up. It's not an official definition because its not a "real" concept. Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean but don't act like its anything but what it is: a made up term by the media devised specifically to attack Romo.

I didn't make up the term elimination game you just said the media did. lol I explained to you exactly what an elimination game is you're the only one who can't seem to grasp it. It amazes me that anyone who follows the NFL would have such a difficult time comprehending the definition of an elimination game. Any game that's do or die for both teams whether it be a playoff game or a season finale with a playoff birth on the line is an elimination game. It's very simple both teams are down to one game loser goes home. The term isn't made up to attack Romo that's ridiculous.

[Reverend Conehead]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

This is just my personal opinion on where these QB's stand today.


Tier 1
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Bottom Tier 1
Eli Manning
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe Flacco


Tier 2
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford
Andrew Luck
Russel Wilson
Colin Kaepernick
RG3
Bottom Tier 2
Cam Newton
Tony Romo
Andy Dalton
Phillip Rivers


Tier 3
Jay Cutler
Sam Bradford
Mark Sanchez
Carson Palmer
Matt Schaub


Tier 4
Who cares?

Observations: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady belong at the top of tier 1. Roethlisberger belongs at the top of tier 2. RG3 and Luck belong in the bottom of tier 1. Romo belongs at the top of tier 2. Sanchez belongs in tier 5.

[Super_Kazuya]

Originally Posted by KJJ

I didn't make up the term elimination game you just said the media did. lol I explained to you exactly what an elimination game is you're the only one who can't seem to grasp it. It amazes me that anyone who follows the NFL would have such a difficult time comprehending the definition of an elimination game. Any game that's do or die for both teams whether it be a playoff game or a season finale with a playoff birth on the line is an elimination game. It's very simple both teams are down to one game loser goes home. The term isn't made up to attack Romo that's ridiculous.

Then why is Romo the only player in NFL history who has an elimination record? I noticed you've danced around that question.

[CitySlicker202]

Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

The reason I don't understand is because you made it up. It's not an official definition because its not a "real" concept. Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean but don't act like its anything but what it is: a made up term by the media devised specifically to attack Romo.

The unofficial term "Elimination Game" is quite simple. Any regular season loss which officially eliminates you from post season play is an elimination game. All playoff games are of course elimination sudden deaths. These are games in which Romo has flat out failed to will the Cowboys into victory in.

Romo losing the Week 17 "Elimination Game" was devastating to his career. He is considered a choker to many in the media, and even more on this board. Beating a one legged rookie QB for the NFC East Title is what Romo desperately needed to quiet some of the nay sayers. I can't even imagine what life is like for Romo watching a 2nd year Kaepernick make it to the Super Bowl and Joe "F'Ing" Flacco winning the entire thing.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

LOL. Prime time? Are you serious? Mind is blown...

You're still trying to figure out what an elimination game is. The Cowboy/Washington game was moved to prime time because it was an elimination game that had a division title and a playoff birth on the line.

Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

So let me see if I understand elimination games.

You still don't understand even though I've dumbed it down for you a number of times.

Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

Did I sum up this mind-bogglingly stupid concept correctly?

It was your concept you tell me.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

Then why is Romo the only player in NFL history who has an elimination record? I noticed you've danced around that question.

I'm not dancing around anything you're just looking for an argument. Show me where Romo is the only player in NFL history who has an elimination game? Do you even realize how ridiculous a statement that is? Apparently not!

[Super_Kazuya]

Originally Posted by CitySlicker202

The unofficial term "Elimination Game" is quite simple. Any regular season loss which officially eliminates you from post season play is an elimination game. All playoff games are of course elimination sudden deaths. These are games in which Romo has flat out failed to will the Cowboys into victory

Now see, your definition is more what I consider it to be. KJJ's is different. Having said that, your definition is probably too broad, and would give all but 1 QB this year an elimination loss.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by Reverend Conehead

Observations: Peyton Manning and Tom Brady belong at the top of tier 1. Roethlisberger belongs at the top of tier 2. RG3 and Luck belong in the bottom of tier 1. Romo belongs at the top of tier 2. Sanchez belongs in tier 5.

I appreciate your insight. Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are all at the top of Tier one. I didn't put them in any order, they all belong in that tier together and are interchangeable. So the order doesn't matter to me. If I had to go off of career I would say Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees.

Roethlisberger earned his spot at the bottom of Tier 1 along with Eli and Flacco. Eli has 2 supebowl MVP's, Ben has 2 rings, and Flacco earned his superbowl MVP. I thought I put Romo right where he belongs but that is surely debatable, especially on a Dallas forum. In my mind Romo was top of Tier 2 before giving the game away against Washington. He choked again when the pressure is on. 3 crucial interceptions (all his fault) in a win and you're in game dropped him down a tier IMO.

[KJJ]

Originally Posted by Super_Kazuya

But why is Romo's week 17 loss worse than Eli's week 16 season ending loss?

Besides the fact that Romo's week 17 loss eliminated the Cowboys the Giants week 16 loss didn't officially eliminate them. The Giants still had a chance to make the playoffs with a with a win in week 17 which they got and with 3 other teams losing. They had to win in week 17 or they would have been officially eliminated regardless of what other teams did.

[5Stars]

Originally Posted by ufcrules1

I appreciate your insight. Manning, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are all at the top of Tier one. I didn't put them in any order, they all belong in that tier together and are interchangeable. So the order doesn't matter to me. If I had to go off of career I would say Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees.

Roethlisberger earned his spot at the bottom of Tier 1 along with Eli and Flacco. Eli has 2 supebowl MVP's, Ben has 2 rings, and Flacco earned his superbowl MVP. I thought I put Romo right where he belongs but that is surely debatable, especially on a Dallas forum. In my mind Romo was top of Tier 2 before giving the game away against Washington. He choked again when the pressure is on. 3 crucial interceptions (all his fault) in a win and you're in game dropped him down a tier IMO.

[joshjwp]

Originally Posted by CitySlicker202

Not a bad list. The Top 4 are locks, the order from 1-4 is up for debate probably.

RG3 indeed when healthy (or close to it) is a game changing QB. You have to account for his cannon arm, legs, and probably the best playaction fake in the game. Top 5 doesn't seem like a stretch at all.

From 6-10 I'm ok with the names, but would definitely rearrange the order (6. Ryan, 7. Roethlisburger, 8. Romo, 9. Eli, 10. Flacco).

Several names from 11-15 could very well be in the Top 10 after next season. Kaepernick with a full season should be a complete stud operating out of the Pistol with his equally riffle arm. The Dalton/AJ combo should only get better and I expect Dalton to further progress in his 3rd season.

[View Full Quote]Stafford in my opinion had a fluke off year, he's a solid strong armed QB who should get back on track in 2013 with Mega and hopefully a capable WR2. Luck and Wilson at #17 and #18 are waaay to low. I'd put them right now no lower than #12 and #13 knocking on the heels of Top 10 next season (26 Tds in your rookie year is nothing to sneeze at from Wilson....especially without an elite WR catching those Tds).

You actually touched on most of the ones that I debated on when I made my list.

I had trouble with Manning vs. Brady at no 2. Ultimately decided that Brady has always been in a better situation with coaching and supporting cast (especially defense). I think that is the reason for the Super Bowl difference between the two rather than their own personal talent.

I think Ryan will pass Romo and Roth but isn't there yet.

Also debated with Romo vs. Roth, but ultimately decided same as Manning Brady situation. I think Roth has had an advantage with a much better coaching staff and defense over the years which is the reason for better record success. Statistically Romo is way better in my opinion and I decided if they were in equal situation I think Romo would out perform Roth.

Luck and Wilson were both outstanding rookies and I debated putting them higher. I think they will be much higher on the list in a year or two. However, as of today I would take the veterans above them that have proved it for a longer period of time.

Don't forget about the running game and defense that Wilson was operating with though. Could he have done that on say the Rams? Where he didn't have Lynch or a upper echelon defense? I highly doubt it.

[ufcrules1]

Originally Posted by CitySlicker202

The unofficial term "Elimination Game" is quite simple. Any regular season loss which officially eliminates you from post season play is an elimination game. All playoff games are of course elimination sudden deaths. These are games in which Romo has flat out failed to will the Cowboys into victory in.

Romo losing the Week 17 "Elimination Game" was devastating to his career. He is considered a choker to many in the media, and even more on this board. Beating a one legged rookie QB for the NFC East Title is what Romo desperately needed to quiet some of the nay sayers. I can't even imagine what life is like for Romo watching a 2nd year Kaepernick make it to the Super Bowl and Joe "F'Ing" Flacco winning the entire thing.

Excellent post.