Nate Newton Speaks

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

Again, RIF classes.

You have no talent. Thus it wouldn't matter. Similar talents...only been said 50 times.

Similar talents go to the Superbowl one year and miss the playoffs the next. Under the same coaches using the exact same methods and coaching techniques and preparation. I know that implies that there is chaos and unreliability in the universe, and therefore makes people run and go hug their narrative bankys.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

It's hilarious to hear this line come up time and time again by people who scored 3 TDs in Junior High, yet ignoring the points brought up brought up by jterrell .. who has more experience playing competitive sports than probably everyone else in this thread combined.

[View Full Quote]People are naturally superstitious and believe a lot of goofy stuff. A lot of times it just comes down to the power of repitition where if something is repeated enough times it just naturally becomes true and regarded as "conventional wisdom". "Swagger" falls in the category of "clutch" for me. If polled, probably 90% of people believe in these magical qualities called "clutch", but there is no evidence that it exists when given enough sample size. When given enough sample size good players tend to play like good players in the post season, and bad players tend to play like bad players in the post season. Derek Jeter has no magical "clutch" postseason abilities, and given that he has a large sample size of postseason games (roughly a regular season's worth) we know that his career postseason numbers fall right in line with their career regular season numbers (almost exactly to the tee). However, I'm sure without looking at the numbers most sports fans would get all in the huff to dare suggest that Jeter isn't Mr. Clutch and doesn't raise his play in the postseason, because most people are driven by romantic sentimental narratives and feel good stories about meritology about what they "feel" should be true.

I responded to your post, not Jterrell. Have you played the game or not? Can you comment on the subject first hand or did you show up to blow smoke and pat yourself on the back as usual? I have no clue what Jeter has to do with the Cowboys lack of a winning attitude. Stay on topic. I don`t care the least bit about baseball.

[theogt]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

It's hilarious to hear this line come up time and time again by people who scored 3 TDs in Junior High, yet ignoring the points brought up brought up by jterrell .. who has more experience playing competitive sports than probably everyone else in this thread combined.

[View Full Quote]People are naturally superstitious and believe a lot of goofy stuff. A lot of times it just comes down to the power of repitition where if something is repeated enough times it just naturally becomes true and regarded as "conventional wisdom". "Swagger" falls in the category of "clutch" for me. If polled, probably 90% of people believe in these magical qualities called "clutch", but there is no evidence that it exists when given enough sample size. When given enough sample size good players tend to play like good players in the post season, and bad players tend to play like bad players in the post season. Derek Jeter has no magical "clutch" postseason abilities, and given that he has a large sample size of postseason games (roughly a regular season's worth) we know that his career postseason numbers fall right in line with their career regular season numbers (almost exactly to the tee). However, I'm sure without looking at the numbers most sports fans would get all in the huff to dare suggest that Jeter isn't Mr. Clutch and doesn't raise his play in the postseason, because most people are driven by romantic sentimental narratives and feel good stories about meritology about what they "feel" should be true.

Preach it.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by jnday

I responded to your post, not Jterrell. Have you played the game or not? Can you comment on the subject first hand or did you show up to blow smoke and pat yourself on the back as usual? I have no clue what Jeter has to do with the Cowboys lack of a winning attitude. Stay on topic. I don`t care the least bit about baseball.

I scored 3 TDs for Polk High in the City Championship, how many did you score?

[jday]

Originally Posted by theebs

He speaks everyday.

99% of the time it's not worth listening to.

Agreed. I'm sorry but Nate is a fine example of a player who does not belong in broadcasting. I like to listen to sports radio, but if he's on the radio, I typically change the channel.

[HoustonFrog]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Similar talents go to the Superbowl one year and miss the playoffs the next. Under the same coaches using the exact same methods and coaching techniques and preparation. I know that implies that there is chaos and unreliability in the universe, and therefore makes people run and go hug their narrative bankys.

No, it means that maybe after winning it one year, they don't work as hard and get fat and happy and thus have a bad following year. That is why it is so hard to repeat...complacency. What do all coaches try and preach against after winning..complacency. That is why there are so few dynasties and when they happen they all have many things in common besides talent. But you go ahead since you know so much more than the Lombardi's and Jimmy Johnsons and ex players that have played. Those 2-3 plays are just random and Emmitt just played with a separated shoulder and helped win a game and a division because it randomly happened vs he was one of the only guys to do that and thus it is always talked about. You sure you played in high school? Maybe you weren't listening then.

Originally Posted by jnday

I responded to your post, not Jterrell. Have you played the game or not? Can you comment on the subject first hand or did you show up to blow smoke and pat yourself on the back as usual? I have no clue what Jeter has to do with the Cowboys lack of a winning attitude. Stay on topic. I don`t care the least bit about baseball.

Again, laugh and keep going. He isn't reading your post anyways. He's contemplating how every game comes down to the cosmos granting a team one wish vs hard work.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

I scored 3 TDs for Polk High in the City Championship, how many did you score?

I am glad for you Al Bundy. I bet you are proud of that.

[jnday]

Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

No, it means that maybe after winning it one year, they don't work as hard and get fat and happy and thus have a bad following year. That is why it is so hard to repeat...complacency. What do all coaches try and preach against after winning..complacency. That is why there are so few dynasties and when they happen they all have many things in common besides talent. But you go ahead since you know so much more than the Lombardi's and Jimmy Johnsons and ex players that have played. Those 2-3 plays are just random and Emmitt just played with a separated shoulder and helped win a game and a division because it randomly happened vs he was one of the only guys to do that and thus it is always talked about. You sure you played in high school? Maybe you weren't listening then.



Again, laugh and keep going. He isn't reading your post anyways. He's contemplating how every game comes down to the cosmos granting a team one wish vs hard work.

You make good points. I am wasting time.

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by jnday

You make good points. I am wasting time.

You are, .. heck, I love a good debate here on the Zone, .. but there is nothing to debate here.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

You are, .. heck, I love a good debate here on the Zone, .. but there is nothing to debate here.

Agreed. How do you debate against Superstition where anecdotes (by repeat convicted felons, in this case) are taken as rock solid empirical evidence? People who believe in superstitions always have a rigged game.

"This lucky rabbits foot brings me good luck when I rub it."

"What about that time lightening stuck you while you were rubbing the rabbits foot?"

"That's further proof that I wasn't rubbing it enough! Thanks for proving my point!"

[WV Cowboy]

Originally Posted by InmanRoshi

Agreed. How do you debate against Superstition where anecdotes (by repeat convicted felons, in this case) are taken as rock solid empirical evidence? People who believe in superstitions always have a rigged game.

"This lucky rabbits foot brings me good luck when I rub it."

"What about that time lightening stuck you while you were rubbing the rabbits foot?"

"That's further proof that I wasn't rubbing it enough! Thanks for proving my point!"

You just need to stop, each post is more silly.

Every other post of yours was an anecdote, or a straw man.

Show me which of my posts was an anecdote.

Maybe you have me mixed up with one of the other posters.

[InmanRoshi]

Originally Posted by WV Cowboy

You just need to stop, each post is more silly.

Every other post of yours was an anecdote, or a straw man.

Show me which of my posts was an anecdote.

Maybe you have me mixed up with one of the other posters.

Any post that quotes former football players or addresses personal experience playing for Polk High is anecdotal. One side of this argument was throwing these things around almost every post, infatuated by the perceived worth they seemingly had. It wasn't my side.

[gimmesix]

Originally Posted by TwoDeep3

I was listening to Nate yesterday on the radio with Cooperstein, I believe. They were talking about the 9ers and Ravens, and Coop made a remark about league parity, and Nate threw a shoe.

He said - and this is somewhat paraphrasing.

Coop - Jason and Jerry can look at this team, understand league parity and see that they are close.

Nate - That's not true. They are not close.

Coop - well surely Dallas could have eked out two more wins and make the play-offs.

Nate - Nope, they couldn't. And here is why.

The 9ers and the Ravens have something Dallas does not have. They have a team attitude that says they are going to get it done. When Ed Reed lined up and covered - fill in the blank - he knew he was going to get it done.

When Dallas lines up for a third and one, they don't have anybody that has that attitude.

[View Full Quote]Dallas will continue to go 8-8 until they put together a team that has a can do attitude.

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For the most part I agree with this. This team finds a way to succeed to the middle of the pack and no more. When what I call those chilly winds of December come along, Dallas tends to either run out of gas, or get push around the field.

I was pretty surprised at Nate's position. He sounded like he flew out of the chair when Coop made the comment.

Success breed confidence.

I think it was Romo who said when Dallas was pulling off comeback after comeback that the offensive players felt they could come back and win any game. It failed in Washington, but that doesn't discount the "can-do" attitude the offense had.

On defense, the failure to hold leads does the same thing. A corner, for instance, who constantly wins his battles on third down believes he is going to win every third-down battle.

When you fail to make the playoffs the way Dallas has the past two years, you certainly have a mental hurdle to overcome, but overcoming that hurdle is just a matter of building on the players' and team's successes.

[tyke1doe]

Originally Posted by VACowboy

So, the "attitude" Nate mentioned encapsulates everything it takes to play mistake-free football, given good coaching, unless it doesn't?

Huh?

If your football team is making mistakes and if your coach has stressed that the team shouldn't make mistakes, then either your team is very, very dumb or it has a problem with its attitude in not focusing on details.

I don't see why this is hard to understand.

[tyke1doe]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich

Or #3, they don't have the talent to not make mistakes.

YR

Mistakes really aren't about talent. I coached community football. Clearly, the players I coach weren't as talented as those in the NFL. But our team didn't jump off sides that much, if ever.

There are basic things you should or shouldn't be able to do. Staying set until the ball is hiked is one of them. I don't know how that relates to talent. Maybe you can explain yourself.