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02-13-2013
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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi
The playcalling hand wringing stuff is nonsense. Callahan will probably do the grunt work of the playcalling, with Garrett on headset with a strong voice in the discussion and ultimate ability to override the play if he doesn't like it. There is absolutely nothing at all unique about this arrangement. The 49ers will do the same thing between Harbaugh and Roman. The Saints will do the same thing between Payton and Carmichael. The Patriots will do the same thing between Belichick and Daniels. etc. etc.
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I don't think its about as to who calls plays, but more about what plays are being called and when, for me anyways. I don't care who calls them, but I want to see better situational play-calling and Garrett is horrendous in that department.
I wanted to see him say "Bill will call the plays with minimal input from me". They need to alter the playbook or at least use the current one correctly.
I would feel more confident with anyone other than Jason handling the in-game calls. Today, we did not get a definitive answer that a lot were hoping for, including me.
Everyone has a plan, until they get hit.
/ Mike Tyson
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02-13-2013
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#62
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Originally Posted by Rynie
So you get to tell us how we feel now?
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If I care to, sure, I can tell you how I think you feel.
Guess what? You get to tell me how you feel about me doing it! Today's your lucky day, Rynie.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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02-13-2013
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#63
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02-13-2013
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This is getting more amusing and frustrating at the same time.
If anyone actually pays attention Garrett has said repeatedly COLLECTIVE game plan. We saw a lot more short passes to backs last season...west coast influence. As Dez flourished and Harris emerged we started seeing more crossing routes...again west coast. Callahan's finger prints are already all over the offense.
We need a better OL to help the running game. Do that and it won't matter who calls the plays.
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02-13-2013
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Deadly Claws of Death
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Originally Posted by Aven8
Sounds to me as if they have no clue who will call plays still. It amazes me that his offense has been our problem, and yet we address everything else besides that. Sort of like Free agency. We need safety help, or Oline help, and we go LB.
IMO I think he's afraid to let Cally handle it, or anybody else. What happens when Cally comes in and we are top 5 in redzone scoring and top 5 in scoring? Who does the credit go to?
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If the offense does that, we win more games. Win more games, we make the playoffs and Red might still be the HC in the future. I think he really believes the offense is great and that Callahan will botch it and the season will tank and Garrett will get fired over it.
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02-13-2013
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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi
The playcalling hand wringing stuff is nonsense. Callahan will probably do the grunt work of the playcalling, with Garrett on headset with a strong voice in the discussion and ultimate ability to override the play if he doesn't like it. There is absolutely nothing at all unique about this arrangement. The 49ers will do the same thing between Harbaugh and Roman. The Saints will do the same thing between Payton and Carmichael. The Patriots will do the same thing between Belichick and Daniels. etc. etc.
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Plays being called in already take quite awhile, not always leaving Romo much time to get situated. If playcalling each play now has to go through an extra person (Garrett) as well, we'll have many more delay of games. HC should determine the main overall focus of the offense, not individual plays IMO. I sure hope Garrett doesn't let Callahan call plays only to micromanage each and every play call.
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02-13-2013
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Originally Posted by InmanRoshi
The playcalling hand wringing stuff is nonsense. Callahan will probably do the grunt work of the playcalling, with Garrett on headset with a strong voice in the discussion and ultimate ability to override the play if he doesn't like it. There is absolutely nothing at all unique about this arrangement. The 49ers will do the same thing between Harbaugh and Roman. The Saints will do the same thing between Payton and Carmichael. The Patriots will do the same thing between Belichick and Daniels. etc. etc.
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I agree. But regardless of who's calling the plays, give us a good OL, the play-calling will be just fine. Keep the same one we have, it won't.
There's always more to the story.
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02-13-2013
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Originally Posted by dargonking999
I think the point to take away from all of this is that we will not be hiring an outside OC... but why sit here now and say who's calling plays? does it matter? there are no games to be played, and none the minicamps- OTA's and Training camp need a specific play-caller. The offense will still be the same, so as per the usual you fans cram for the answers to the questions you want, get upset when you don't get them, because you feel entitled to the answers. well guess what, no one cares, if anyone in Dallas cared about the fans thoughts and wishes, Jerry Jones wouldn't be the GM..so get over it, and talk about something substantial..like.. i don't know Free Agency?
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I am disappointed, as I now know we are not bringing in another offensive system.
The one last year stunk.
Not looking forward to another year of same ol , same ol on offense.
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02-13-2013
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#69
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Originally Posted by john van brocklin
I am disappointed, as I now know we are not bringing in another offensive system.
The one last year stunk.
Not looking forward to another year of same ol , same ol on offense.
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The Ravens just won a Super Bowl with a similar system and they changed playcallers during the season.
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"The restructures are built in. Everybody’s making a big to do about this. I don’t know why."- Stephen Jones
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02-13-2013
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Originally Posted by Dhragon
If the offense does that, we win more games. Win more games, we make the playoffs and Red might still be the HC in the future. I think he really believes the offense is great and that Callahan will botch it and the season will tank and Garrett will get fired over it.
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I agree, he will be fine if that were to happen, but it might me an ego thing also (guessing here), but he seems adament that he's great at it. Always defending himself, etc.
With the Dallas media? If Cally, or whomever, comes in and can turn this piece of dung we've been seeing to a juggernaut they will voice that opinion of how much better he is then Jason.
Remember when the Rams wanted to get him as HC and the fans said they would not buy season tickets if he was the new HC? It's because he flopped that year with "his" offense.
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02-13-2013
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Originally Posted by Idgit
There's, literally, nothing the man could have said that would not have some of you guys jumping off buildings.
This was about as generic a press conference as you're ever going to see. If you're upset about anything in it--anything at all--it's only because you want to act upset and not because anything objectionable was actually said.
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I'm guessing naming an OC other than himself would have done the trick.
Didn't realize that it took an entire offseason to announce who will call plays, provided they even have that figured out in the first place.
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02-13-2013
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#72
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
I'm guessing naming an OC other than himself would have done the trick.
Didn't realize that it took an entire offseason to announce who will call plays, provided they even have that figured out in the first place.
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Actually, yeah. You're probably right. Depending on the OC, of course.
I don't see what the big deal is with the play calling, one way or another. They'll experiment with some things, and then decide what they think will work, and use the preseason to do it. Any deadline is purely artificial because the media suggested early on there would be a change to go along with the new offensive coaching hires. Why would we want the team to make a decision prematurely, anyway? There's nothing wrong with figuring out what you want to do before naming a play caller. That's not anything for anybody to get upset or impatient about.
When asked whether Jason Garrett is the right head coach for this team: "I don't think there is anyone else that could. I think he is an unbelievable coach. We've responded to him and he has made us better football players, better people. If you watch us I think we play with a certain relentless spirit." --Sean Lee
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02-13-2013
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#73
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Originally Posted by blindzebra
This is getting more amusing and frustrating at the same time.
If anyone actually pays attention Garrett has said repeatedly COLLECTIVE game plan. We saw a lot more short passes to backs last season...west coast influence. As Dez flourished and Harris emerged we started seeing more crossing routes...again west coast. Callahan's finger prints are already all over the offense.
We need a better OL to help the running game. Do that and it won't matter who calls the plays.
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I agree. As soon as the Dallas gets a top notch OL to go with their plethora of skill players, anyone should have success.
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02-13-2013
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#74
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Originally Posted by Hoofbite
I agree. As soon as the Dallas gets a top notch OL to go with their plethora of skill players, anyone should have success.
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So the new Oline will eliminate the pre-snap penalties, delay of games, and snapping the ball with 1 second left?
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02-13-2013
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#75
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Originally Posted by Idgit
Actually, yeah. You're probably right. Depending on the OC, of course.
I don't see what the big deal is with the play calling, one way or another. They'll experiment with some things, and then decide what they think will work, and use the preseason to do it. Any deadline is purely artificial because the media suggested early on there would be a change to go along with the new offensive coaching hires. Why would we want the team to make a decision prematurely, anyway? There's nothing wrong with figuring out what you want to do before naming a play caller. That's not anything for anybody to get upset or impatient about.
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For me, I don't consider anything to be premature when its the offseason.
Then again, I guess I don't consider identifying an OC as complicated as organizing the rover mission to Mars.
Either you have a guy who's an OC or you don't. Why sit around and see which turd floats first in the punchbowl?
If the team wants a change at OC, make Callahan the OC.
If Callahan isn't good enough and they won't hire another one, don't change anything.
It's really quite simple to me. Either you have a plan or you don't. If your plan includes "developing a plan" you don't have a plan and that's just about where Dallas seems to be on the OC position.
They'll spend all their time planning, analyzing, gathering input, processing data, creating excel charts and whatever else and then by the time the first game of the season rolls around they'll have used all their time planning and not enough time executing.
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