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HoustonFrog · 02-26-2013

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Originally Posted by ghst187

i wasn't comparing what Lebron has done and been to what Jordan was and accomplished...obviously Lebron hasn't accomplished what MJ did yet....I'm just saying one on one in their primes....Lebron wins 8 of 10.

Disagree completely. Two different competitors with different games. I think Jordan wins 6 or 7. You really need to have seen him play year in and year out against tough competition to get what he could do. Reread Wades quote. Jordan's competitive nature wouldn't let him lose 8. His moves and quickness would be an advantage and LeBron would have size. It's just like the she rebounding thing. The argument lamely presented here is that LeBron has 1 more a game than Jordan. But that says nothing basketball wise about how a guard was getting that many rebounds...one season over 8 a game. That means positioning, IQ, etc. leBron should have more with his size.

HoustonFrog · 02-26-2013

BTW, another Wade quote

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/b...iheat&id=15170

"I don't know if (James) has the ability to surpass (Jordan) or not," Wade told ESPNChicago.com during a promotional event for his Wade's World Foundation. "That's yet to be seen. My version as LeBron being on par with Michael is this: They're both on the golf course. Michael's on the 18th hole. LeBron is somewhere on like the fourth hole. He's got a long way to go, but he's on par to get to the 18th hole.

"I think everyone knows that (James) is a phenomenal, phenomenal player. He's one that we haven't seen, with the makeup of a 6-8 guy who runs as fast as any point guard, jumps as high as any center, and has the ability that he has to do so many things. But Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time, that's who everyone shoots for. So it's going to be hard to surpass that."

Nav22 · 02-26-2013

Nobody said LeBron's had the better career than MJ. He just turned 28!

Save your quotes. Michael Jordan's had one of the most storied, media-fawned career in sports history so of course he'll be praised. The real news is when someone picks a 28 year old in his prime over Michael Jordan. Like Pat Riley, Jim Boeheim, and Scottie Pippen did.

LeBron of 2013 is better than MJ of any year. Your ridiculous list consists of mostly shooting stats. Guess what? LeBron's a tremendous shooter now. He's improved his FG% each year since 2006 and it's up to 56.7% now.

56.7%. As in "way better than MJ ever shot".

And here comes the hammer: on top of all that scoring nonsense... he's always been better as a passer, rebounder, and a more versatile defender thanks to his size/strength.

I'm not even going to bring up rebounding. LeBron owns that advantage as well.

So only if you completely disregard the importance of EVERYTHING ELSE SOMEBODY DOES ON A BASKETBALL COURT BESIDES SCORING THE BALL can you even begin to pretend that MJ is a better overall player.

And even if you only choose to talk about scoring, LeBron's currently shooting a higher % than MJ ever did!!!

He's a physical freak who puts Jordan to shame from that standpoint.
6'8", 260 vs 6'6", 215, so of course he'd beat MJ one-on-one.
Could MJ guard Karl Malone in the post? Of course not. So how the hell would he guard someone as big and strong as Malone who can kill you in the post AND IN EVERY OTHER WAY OFFENSIVELY?

It's common sense. You choose to ignore common sense because you have a heavy bias towards MJ (and probably against LeBron).

NIBGoldenchild · 02-26-2013

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Originally Posted by Nav22

Hakeem vs Shaq!!!

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This here exposes how little you know about basketball. Hakeem destroyed Shaq in a finals series. While Hakeem was on his last legs, and Shaq was in his prime. Looking at height and weight measurements without knowing anything about how the game is played or what skills actually are, is simply ignorant, to be blunt.

Do some research about the topic next time you debate someone so it looks like you remotely have a clue of what you're talking about.

mldardy · 02-26-2013

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Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

This here exposes how little you know about basketball. Hakeem destroyed Shaq in a finals series. While Hakeem was on his last legs, and Shaq was in his prime. Looking at height and weight measurements without knowing anything about how the game is played or what skills actually are, is simply ignorant, to be blunt.

Do some research about the topic next time you debate someone so it looks like you remotely have a clue of what you're talking about.

Shaq wasn't in his prime. It was his 3rd year in the league and Hakeem was 31 at the time, finished in the top 5 that season and just won MVP the previous year. He was not on his last legs

HoustonFrog · 02-26-2013

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Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

This here exposes how little you know about basketball. Hakeem destroyed Shaq in a finals series. While Hakeem was on his last legs, and Shaq was in his prime. Looking at height and weight measurements without knowing anything about how the game is played or what skills actually are, is simply ignorant, to be blunt.

Do some research about the topic next time you debate someone so it looks like you remotely have a clue of what you're talking about.

Exactly. I've never felt so good about an argument. Its like talking to someone who has never watched basketball. He brings up 3 people who said LeBron is good...one who said not as good as Jordan(claims it was a fake retraction).. yet ignores LBJs own teammate RIGHT NOW..saying he has a long way to go.. like Wade has no standing. It is a complete joke. Magic Johnson and another 40-50 NBAers trump his list. A great player who finishes games for the Heat and who sees LeBron daily says he has a long way to go. Guess Nav's emoticons know more. The media created all of this. What a joke this guy is. He has zero understanding that Jordan's rebound totals trump LeBrons due to the fact that he is smaller and did more for his size and position. He just reads a number, says the guy is big so he must be better. What is even dumber about his argument is that I've give LeBron his due and think the guy is a stud but he and his puppet laughers can't look at things objectively. I'm guessing a teenager.

Look at the top teams in NBA history and the era they came from

http://www.nba.com/history/toptenteams_index.html

zrinkill · 02-26-2013

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Originally Posted by HoustonFrog

Exactly. I've never felt so good about an argument. Its like talking to someone who has never watched basketball.

Exactly.

Nav22 · 02-26-2013

Old-timers,

I know Hakeem schooled Shaq. I was laughing at how absurd the analogy was because it has absolutely nothing to do with LeBron vs MJ. You're resorting to garbage like that because reality isn't on your side.

Old, obsolete, and out-of-touch.

Why don't you give me another irrelevant analogy!
Something like, an older Kevin Willis once schooled young Antonio McDyess, therefore Michael's better than LeBron.

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Shaq wasn't in his prime. It was his 3rd year in the league and Hakeem was 31 at the time, finished in the top 5 that season and just won MVP the previous year. He was not on his last legs

Correct.

Hakeem on his "last legs"??? He played 7 more seasons!!

Oh wait, I didn't see this guy's link of an NBA.com list of top teams. Well, that settles everything!

NIBGoldenchild · 02-26-2013

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Originally Posted by mldardy

Shaq wasn't in his prime. It was his 3rd year in the league and Hakeem was 31 at the time, finished in the top 5 that season and just won MVP the previous year. He was not on his last legs

Ok, let me clarify: Nav's whole argument is based off size and strength. Hakeem was definitely slowing down at that point(I'll admit i went a little heavy on the last legs part), his numbers went on a steady decline after those back-to-back championships. Shaq was in the best shape he'd been at any point in his career. The fact that he didn't know The Dream destroyed Shaq is unforgivable.

Nav22 · 02-26-2013

But I'm sure that in 50 years when we're talking about the great minds of basketball, Dwyane Wade's name will surely come up before Pat Riley's or Jim Boeheim's.

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He has zero understanding that Jordan's rebound totals trump LeBrons due to the fact that he is smaller and did more for his size and position.

Production is production no matter what excuse you make for the less-productive player, O-T.

LeBron's size is an advantage that MJ didn't possess? Tough s---. If LeBron grabs more rebounds consistently, that means he's a better rebounder.

He's also a better passer and defends more positions.

While scoring at a much higher clip than MJ ever did.

Why is he better at all of these things? Because he's better at basketball.

NIBGoldenchild · 02-26-2013

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Originally Posted by Nav22

Old-timers,

I know Hakeem schooled Shaq. I was laughing at how absurd the analogy was because it has absolutely nothing to do with LeBron vs MJ. You're resorting to garbage like that because reality isn't on your side.

Old, obsolete, and out-of-touch.

Why don't you give me another irrelevant analogy!
Something like, an older Kevin Willis once schooled young Antonio McDyess, therefore Michael's better than LeBron.

Correct.

Hakeem on his "last legs"??? He played 7 more seasons!!

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I have one more laugh simile than you! I win the argument!!!

Btw, you had no clue Hakeem dominated Shaq, it's obvious

....and yes, I'm really laughing at you. It's relevant because it debunks your stupid "size means more talent" nonsense that you keep peddling. No surprise everyone gets it but you.

Nav22 · 02-26-2013

So wait...

If LeBron retires at 35, then that means he's currently on his last legs, right?

Nav22 · 02-26-2013

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I have one more laugh simile than you! I win the argument!!!

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You're a buffoon. I grew up as a diehard Penny Hardaway fan so I'm well aware of what happened in those Finals. I still cringe when I hear Nick Anderson's name.

Nice try, Last Legs.

NIBGoldenchild · 02-26-2013

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You're a buffoon. I grew up as a diehard Penny Hardaway fan so I'm well aware of what happened in those Finals. I still cringe when I hear Nick Anderson's name.

Nice try, Last Legs.

I love the name calling, let's you know who's losing the argument and can't keep their composure.

Being a Penny fan would make sense for you, all flash but no substance. He once told Jordan he would average 40ppg after Shaq fled to L.A. Nonsense, little did he realize that his game benefited so much from Shaq's presence.

Nav22 · 02-26-2013

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Originally Posted by NIBGoldenchild

I love the name calling, let's you know who's losing the argument and can't keep their composure.

Being a Penny fan would make sense for you, all flash but no substance. He once told Jordan he would average 40ppg after Shaq fled to L.A. Nonsense, little did he realize that his game benefited so much from Shaq's presence.

Yeah, Shaq leaving is what killed Penny's career. Not the injuries or anything.